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Re: Evolution: Conflict in the Classroom

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~Snip~ Censoring, labeling and concoct of counter science occurred on your end. We’re kinda pulling defense here.
Defense of what?
“Oh c’mon, give us a break.
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Nobody's telling you you can't go to your church or tell your kids to believe whatever you want.
Nice smoke and mirror but a bit lacking in the, “does scientific evidence favor creation or evolution” Dept..
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However, in school, especially in science class, kids need to be taught, you know, science. Not "poof, there it is" creationism that has no scientific basis.
And lighting striking a sea of organic soup, jumping to self-replicating self aware beings “to give creation purpose” being created by *cough* mother nature is concrete enough to censor every single fact and tangible piece of evidence pointing away from this single theory???
Think again.
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Re: Evolution: Conflict in the Classroom

What censorship?

Good, hard, repeatable, and verifiable science belongs in the classroom. Unfortunately, creationists avoid that kind of thing like the plague.
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Re: Evolution: Conflict in the Classroom

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~Snip~ (Hank, evolution is a settled matter as much as the fact that the earth is round and turns around the sun. Go back to sleep.)
Um hmm. You mean the way the same bunch declared global warming settled or the killing of the unborn being some kind of right settled, homosexuality being more then a sexual fetish settled, American history wrong until Nam era numb nuts revised it as us being the worst people in existence settled!!!
Eyes man eyes.
Those, unlike evolutionary science, are all largely, if not completely, political issues. The only people that consider evolutionary science to be a "political" issue are those who stand to gain from trying to muddy the waters - Bible Literalists.
That sounds more like a political decoration then a science argument.
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There is no purpose, there is no direction, there is no underlying intelligence guiding the universe, that's what our observations tell us.
Evolution goes both ways, animals get bigger, smarter, new facilities emerge, and animals get smaller, slower, and lose abilities.
That's why evolution works and why it explains almost everything in great detail, there will always be something left to explain, that's why we call it the frontier of science.
Meanwhile, the hocus-pocus stories of mythology, like the bible explain nothing, and the bible doesn't even conform to the historical record until about the time of Ahab, which is probably when it was written. There is no evidence of the exodus or the flood, or the parting of the Red Sea, the Egyptian record, which is quite detailed, makes no mention of slaves, let alone slaves who left, or plagues of frogs or first born dying, or of a pharoah who's army was swallowed by the Red Sea.
In the Sinai desert, archeologists have found evidence of campsites of small groups of neandertals from 20,000 years ago, but they have not found any evidence that a large group of people lived in the desert for 40 years.

The Grand Canyon is explained by the runoff from the melting of the glaciers tha covered much of North America in the last ice age.

The dogwood tree didn't change when Christ died, despite the poem that said it did.

We live in a world with no miracles, where everything follows the laws of nature, and there is no supernatural world of ghosts and angels and fairies and god.
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In my correspondence with “Dilettante“, I presented the analogy that the resistance of 1 hydrogen atom per cubic centimeter acting on such a large surface area as the surface of the earth would be the same as 1 atmosphere on a baseball, it was a scale thing (The baseball would be lucky to get 10,000 orbits.).
OK, let's accept that the resistance on the earth is about the same as the resistance on a baseball at one atmosphere (dare I say, they are in the same ballpark). The mass of the earth, and hence it's momentum is many times that of a baseball, so, thankfully, we will not be spinning into the sun anytime soon.
I kinda had the word “analogy” underlined.
A 7,926.41 mile diameter baseball wasn’t a calculated example.



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The heavier elements came into the solar system before the the sun had enough mass to ignite, back then there was no solar wind.
Exactly, in Geneses the sun wasn’t ignited until after the earth was with form (Thanks good example.).
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You will search long and hard trying to find the inconsistencies in the theory of evolution by natural selection, because so many have already done that, and the reason we still have the theory is because it holds up in the face of all the data.
Actually the inconsistencies in Darwin’s theory were pointed out when he was still in the process to see if he could find another explanation then God which conflicted with his lifestyle.
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I kinda had the word “analogy” underlined.
A 7,926.41 mile diameter baseball wasn’t a calculated example.

Exactly, in Geneses the sun wasn’t ignited until after the earth was with form (Thanks good example.).
Actually the inconsistencies in Darwin’s theory were pointed out when he was still in the process to see if he could find another explanation then God which conflicted with his lifestyle.
After reading your bright and brave responses it is clear that there is no point to even try to explain the complexity of life, its origins and ongoing evolution on this particular planet.
You choose to believe on mens words, who talk about faith.
You follow book which was made, by men, from wide range of religious writings. This book was a tool of power, yet you choose to believe it to be words of God. Which god?

That is why you choose not to see and hear and it is pointless to try and educate you. May your children learn and think for themselves.
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Your going with this as if it were a settled matter, don’t you think that dangerous and un-scientific.

A car didn’t evolve from a lawnmower, but we could prove it does with one sided science (Not allowing any science in the arena saying otherwise.).Were talking 35,000 generations in those thousands and thousands of years. I really don’t believe you conceive the size of the number billions and billions, that number was simply needed to calculate nonsensical probabilities of simplex DNA forming. It still would be dead and just molecular grouping. You street is full of old dead grass and DNA. It will not become alive by lightning strikes or waiting another 5-6 billion years. It’s dead…Debate this butt-munch…
The oldest coral reef is about 4200 years old.
The oldest tree in the world is 4300 years old.
The oldest historical records go back less than 6000 years.
Carbon atoms from life forms are less then 6’000 years
Every single tangible piece of evidence from celestial mechanics to what we can touch is less then 10,000 years.
The dates in the Bible add up to about 6000 years..

These are actual facts. Not theory or religion.
Show me one thing taught to you as being a fact on evolution theory and I can easily show you controversy and censorship with a label justifying why counter science was taken out of academic publishing.
Can you explain dinosaurs then ... which lived more than 6000 years ago.
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I kinda had the word “analogy” underlined.
A 7,926.41 mile diameter baseball wasn’t a calculated example.
But the drag on the earth from the gas in space is actually less than the drag on a baseball, but while that would be enough to slow a baseball down, the earth has more mass than a baseball, so it will take longer to slow down, trillions of years longer, and we would see, exactly what we observe.

The Bible was written around 700 BCE, according to the best current archeology.
The Bible Unearthed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's a product of those times, not the revealed word of some divine being.

And BTW, the oldest known coral reef is in Vermont, it's about 500 million years old.
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Re: Evolution: Conflict in the Classroom

And the Great Barrier Reef (largest coral reef in the world, off the North East Australian coast) has been formed over millions of years also. Great Barrier Reef: Definition and Much More from Answers.com

But opponents of evolution never like little things like facts to get in the way of a good theological argument.
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I wouldn't bother with these examples in this context. Answers in Genesis - Creation, Evolution, Christian Apologetics and other such sites have drivel that barely rises to the level of sophistry but will be used, nonetheless, to counter scientific arguments.
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~Snip~ The oldest living coral reef is about 4200 years old.
The oldest living tree in the world is 4300 years old.
Pre-flood historical records go back less than 6000 years.
Carbon atoms from life forms correlate at 5,700/6’000 years
The dates in the Bible add up to about 6000 years..

These are observed and historically document.
Show me one thing taught to you as being a fact on evolution theory and I can easily show you controversy and censorship.
Can you explain dinosaurs then ... which lived more than 6000 years ago.
Sure no problem.
Dinosaurs died in the flood thousands not 100‘s and 100‘s of millions of years ago (Not an unknown extinction event by some unknown catastrophic volcanic our celestial event (The Ark was about the size of the titanic and only had two of each species, not 2 of each breed.).

Dinosaurs are even in the bible walking along side man,
The problem is evidence being censored “as rule” on evolution being settled and the argument closed.
It’s not kept out of academic publishing’s due to scientific footing, it’s kept out because any publishing’s not supporting evolution are kept out.



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Re: Evolution: Conflict in the Classroom

So, who brought the gonorrhea on the arc? Since there's no such thing as evolution, someone must have been dipping his wick where it didn't belong...
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So, who brought the gonorrhea on the arc? Since there's no such thing as evolution, someone must have been dipping his wick where it didn't belong...
It’s the tag placed on evolution causing a sort of communication gap. I call it “adaptation” due to the association of origin and species transition Nam era anarchists placed on it.
A dog, wolf and bear are deferent breads but from one species brought on the Ark, after 20-30 thousand generations or so of deferent habitat influences they adapt to assure survival. Same with the house cat, leopards and lions. The difference is a cat was never a dog or *cough* tree or anything. There is no evidence of species transition in the fusil record. A virus isn’t a living thing anyway. It’s not a cell, just protean and replicating DNA…
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You're saying that a bear became a dog in 6000 years? How can you say you don't believe in evolution - that's evolution on a souped of mixture of steroids and crack. You'd better watch your dog - he might grow a few extra legs or something.

Oh, and Hank, gonorrhea is a bacteria (i.e. an animal). And, if God created all creatures in a day, then He created that one too. So, it seems that Noah was a naughty, naughty boy (the disease only infects humans).
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So wolves and bears have a direct ancestor only 20K generations back?

Where's your evidence for this?


Also, what does your post have to do with gonorrhea, which is a bacterial infection?
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