Why would one need to control mutations in things you want to mutate? You would simply keep the useful developments and leave the rest to die out. I would only be concerned with those developing modifications that provide some usefullness to me.

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This would be a correct mindset as I see it. Religion really has no purpose in science since it tends only to limit areas of development. Ethics are variable according to the person stating them and therefore a person who sees no ethical problem in genetic modification will develop those modifications. My ethics are designed to provide the greatest support to their possessor.

Evil Genius

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Are you aware that your DNA, my DNA, all DNA mutates on a daily basis? How do you plan on controlling that?

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I would not.

Evil Genius

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Then you lost the perfection you sought.

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Depends on your description of perfection. I think genes should be modified based upon the criteria of the required environment. This means that the definition of perfection depends on whether it adapts to the environment. A single statement of perfection has no meaning because what is perfect in one environment is imperfect in another. I may require that a human lifeform be able to breath through gills in a certain situation. However, that adaptation would be imperfect in say a methane environment. What I do maintain is the right to modify my genetics, if possible, to adapt to what I feel is necessary.

Evil Genius

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It seems you are on a fool's pursuit.
Any ideas about avoiding sunlight?

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Define your parameters.

Actually, I do. I am very sun-sensitive as UV tends to make me tired. However, I do not see the relevance to the discussion at hand.

I think that humans should, and will, take the reigns of their own evolution in hand. I look to a time when humans are not bounded by the strictures of a naturally derived genetic code. I choose the name EvilGenius because many people would consider such ideals to be evil. I seek to see humanity elevated into whatever form allows it to spread itself. I am a Transhumanist and I am not alone.

Perhaps you should check out Orion's Arm and see just how many of us there are.

Evil Genius

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It's pretty hard to hit a target if that target is always moving.



UV is a big catalyst for DNA mutation.

Thanks for the link. I'll check it out.

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Depends on what you set as the target. If you have the concept that perfection is variable then the target makes a lot more sense. Here is how I see genetic perfection.

In genetics. fitness is defined partially as the ability to adapt to your environment. The most genetically perfect organism would be, to my ideal, one that would be capable of adapting to various environments and surviving in them. Humans already exhibit this capacity although we attempt to use technology to provide an adaptive mechanism. Genetic modification is an extension of this technological stream of thinking. It seeks to modify the genetic expression of the genome to allow modification of the body to adapt to various environmental concerns. I see this as genetic perfection.

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I understand more of your view. Thanks.

Getting back to acheiving a perfect DNA that is capable of adapting in a positive manner, it's pretty hard to control the regioselectivity of reactions that cause DNA mutations (light, chemicals, etc.). We need to identify all synergist effects of genes, all permutations of the primary DNA structure that lead to all the possible secondary and tertiary structures of nucleic acids to come up with the correct conformation that will allow only mutations that lead to positive attributes and favor further adaptive traits.

Until science can deal with at least the chemistry of mutations, your dream (which is not a bad one, IMO) is plenty of generations down the road.

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Oh no.

I'm sure "vilegenius" is genius enough to pull this off for us.

In his/her aspirations to become godlike, I'm sure he/she will make no errors and produce a perfect race of beings.

Sounds like someone else in recent history who aspired to godlike abilities who wanted to create a master race. What was his name ? Sta.. no Hitler ?

Do you suffer from kind of delirium? Your statements and your thought processes seem somewhat unfocused. I am quite sure that there are medications that might help.

In all seriousness. Have you even read what I wrote. Yes. I want to become a god. However, I don't think you understand what I mean by god.

Source: Archailects / Archai

It is standard practice for those opposed to certain mindsets, such as perfection of humanity, to compare those people with Adolf Hitler. There is even a new fallacy that has been coined by some: Reductio ad Hitlerum.

As for the term EvilGenius that you seem to have a problem with I am quite sure that naming yourself after the disease that destroyed mankind from Stephen King's The Stand exemplifies your kind and giving nature.

As for my appreciation for those people who are trying to make themselves into something greater and perhaps lead others to the stars perhaps it is your own feelings of inadequacy coming through. I would also like to point out that if you had read what I said you would understand that my view of genetic perfection is based on complete diversity based on the freedom to manipulate yourself into greater forms of adaptability to environments. It does not require the elimination of any people at all -- races after all are just adaptions to different environments. Perhaps you cannot understand but I don't really care.

Evil Genius

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Ummm hmmm

Welcome to my ignore list genius :-)

Have fun convincing others of your godlike intellect. I've lost interest.

Very well. Perhaps ignoring people is the best choice for you since you have such a limited means of expression. I have also discovered that you have a lot of people on your ignore list. I did a google site search for your name.

Evil Genius

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