What are homosexual values? What about homosexual Christians?

Why would you ask me ?

Oxymoron.

Exactly. Oh i know why, campaign season is upon us. Time to bring out the wedge issues. Homos, abortions, stem cell, 'right to life', and on and on it goes. Should garner the right some token votes i guess.

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I'm asking you because you seem to agree fully with the contents of the article. I'm asking for clarification.

No, it isn't. It isn't up to you to define what a Christian is. The author tries to make comparisons between "Christian values" and "homosexual values", but "homosexual values" do not exist, homosexuality is a matter of sexual preference, not a political affiliation, or a moral position.

No, it's NOT up to me, personally, to define what a Christian is. It's up to what Christianity is DEFINED by. That would be Jesus and the Bible.

When Jesus condemned porneia, he certainly condemned homosexuality. And in Matthew 15:19 and Mark 7:21 Jesus did indeed condemn porneia, from which our modern word pornography is derived. The word is translated as "sexual immorality" in some of our English translations, but it really stands for a multitude of sexual sins, all condemned in the Old Testament Law: premarital sex, adultery, homosexuality, incest, bestiality. Furthermore, Jesus put his seal of approval on the old testament as Gods word (Matt. 5:17 - 19), and, again, the Old Testament condemns homosexuality as well.

This is why I said that it's an oxymoron. Because it IS.

Yes, it's obvious that homosexual values do not exist beyond trying to force Christians and the rest of society to view their "relations" as exactly the same as hetero relations. Which they can never BE. Biology and all that stuff.

Urvashi Vaid, lesbian activist and author of the book Virtual Equality: The Mainstreaming of Gay & Lesbian Liberation said:

"The goal of the gay and lesbian movement is to achieve a society in which homosexuality is considered as healthy, natural, and normal as heterosexuality. It's going to require a change in people's attitudes, in people's hearts, and in people's values about what they think is good and bad. ..."

So why would a lesbian activist and author claim that "It's going to require a change in people's ... values about what they think is good and bad. ..." if there are no differences between "Christian values" and "homosexual values" ?

It's only an issue of "sexual preference" you tell me. It looks there's a LOT more to it than just "sexual preference" when in their book "After the Ball" Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen give the principles of their agenda. Listen to principle number 5:

Portray gays as victims of circumstance and oppression, not as aggressive challengers. In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be portrayed as victims in need of protection so that straights will not be inclined to refuse to adopt the role of protector ... we must forego the temptations to strut our gay pride publically to such an extent that we will undermine our victim image.

No differences in values you say ?

I'm sorry, Trips, but I hope you're not implying that anybody who defies even one the zillions of Old Testament strictures cannot be a Christian, because if you are there must be no more than a dozen Christians left.

Of course they can. They are.

That two homosexual activists share values which you abhor is insufficient to identify these values as "homosexual". I'm sure I could find any number of homosexuals who disagree with them.

Edit: Your username is confusing. Maybe you should be CaptainBadTrips, so we don't confuse you with dr.goodtrips, you know.

Gotta go. I don't need to take a chance of getting confused by the confused :-)

Too late.

For ONE of us :-)

How so?

Is someone only a homosexual if he acts on his urges?

If someone is sexually attracted to the another of the same sex, but forces him (or her) self to not act on it, I got news for you: That person is still a homosexual.

But, if they don't act on it, have they broken any laws of god?

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I'm sorry, Trips, but I hope you're not implying that anybody who defies even one the zillions of Old Testament strictures cannot be a Christian, because if you are there must be no more than a dozen Christians left.


We had "adrien eks aye aye" telling us that a person that sins once or twice because he's human and prone to screwing up at times, is the SAME as a person who decides consciously and regularly to act out and continue acting out sinful behaviours.


Human sexuality is an entirely strange subject open to many many interpretations. For instance, you say:

If someone is sexually attracted to the another of the same sex, but forces him (or her) self to not act on it, I got news for you: That person is still a homosexual.

This statement isn't accurate actually. If someone is sexually attracted to the another of the same sex, but forces him (or her) self to not act on it, he/she may have felt homosexual urges temporarily and not ever had them AGAIN. He/she may have homosexual urges ALWAYS. He/she may feel homosexual urges intermittently. Any number of combinations. To call ALL possibilities "homosexual" isn't true. Straight people decide to "go gay". GAY people decide to "go straight" all the time. This isn't an either/or subject.

As far as breaking laws of God, I don't know. According to Christians they are. This is what Christianity teaches. This is one reason "homosexuals" and other flakes continue trying to paint Christianity as "hateful" and "homophobic". Because Christianity teaches that it is sinful.

But isn't the entire Bible oxymornic; after all, it pretends to preach tolerance, but also says that you must kill someone who works on the Sabbath. The Bible itself demonstrates that it is only tolerant within its own religion.

Oh I "get it" alright. You want to convince me and everyone else that your reason for obsessing about and posting every negative thing you can about gays, is that you are so morally inspired and "straight" that you are doing it as a "public service."

Here's a news flash for you guy. People don't spend inordinant amounts of their time on a regular basis on "issues" that don't personally affect them. As it has been said, "Methinks thou doth protest too much."

Ignore me if you please, and keep ignoring whatever it is inside of you that drives you to behave in the manner you do, it's your dragon to spend the rest of your life fighting or make peace with. Just don't expect to spread your hate and fear uncontested. I, and many like me will ALWAYS be there, we will always aim the light on your words and expose them for what they are.

My point was, I thought it was fairly obvious, that most Christians don't feel the need to observe Old Testament rules. They're obsolete.


Nah. That would be Steve, not me.

Wow... Your mind must be a fuckin' facinating place.

I know plenty of straight people, and none of them have ever been gay. I know plenty of gay people, and none of them have ever been straight. I've never met a single straight person who thought about "going gay", or vice versa.

Ever.

Since you want to "If" my scenario into the ground (a clear sign of the lack of strength in your argument), let me promote an "if" of my own:

If someone is always attracted to those of the same sex, but never acts on it, he (or she) is still gay.

I actually kinda' like your ranting threads against homosexuals. They start out as shitty and weak, and go downhill from there...

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