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Old 09-21-2007
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Re: Jena 6

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Last week on NPR they had a guy from the school board in Jena on and he said that the nooses where a harmless prank and that the legal conviction of attempted murder where justified and that the media is out to give there community a bad name. At one point is also tried to say that the students probably didn't even know the nooses had any racial meaning. That will not sit well with most listeners I don't think especially since this is a guy that was put on the board there and he is saying these things on national radio.
And is this just racist propaganda, or is the incident really bloated up?

I currently tend to believe more that the community is trying to downplay unequal treatments...
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Re: Jena 6

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And is this just racist propaganda, or is the incident really bloated up?

I currently tend to believe more that the community is trying to downplay unequal treatments...
It's a valid concern, IMHO. Of course, the real problem is that you get fucktards like Jackson and Sharpton involved, and nothing real happens. The divide gets worse. The nastiness gets buried, and re-emerges in 10 years.
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Racism has nothing to do with the inconstancy of punishment based on race and the hanging of nooses which is obviously symbolic of a racist time when people had been murdered based on race? That's a pretty tough sell.
Well, you could CALL it racism I guess. Like I said in # 11 stupidity is NOT "a thing of the past". Racism largely IS though. This means that there will ALWAYS be stupid asses, black, red, yellow, white and green ... ? that hate others because of their skin color or hair color or age or clothing choice or etc. etc.

I've known a racist or two throughout life. Without exception they've ALL been dim bulbs.

So, yes. We will always see instances of racism and racially motivated crimes.

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Re: Jena 6

Does anyone remember those dumb ass bumper stickers ... "Mean people suck"

God I always thought those were idiotic.

How about one that says:

DUMB people suck !!
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Old 09-21-2007
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I see two problems - first, the way the charges were handled seems to be very unequal and therefore a violation of the Constitutional rights of the accused.

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The folks supporting the Jena 6 are not helping their cause by claiming a 17 year old who kicked and beat someone until they lost consciousness was unable to appreciate the nature of that act and should therefore be tried as a juvenile.

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Spot on. Some even cheer the 6. These 6 aren't civil right heroes--they committed a crime. They beat the kid in a group jump to a pulp months after the noose incident. Thankfully his injuries weren't serious enough to do any lasting damage. But that's assault and battery and other related offences. They deserve to be held accountable for it under those kinds of charges.

However, the noose boys are also committed a crime(s). Claims are being made--and I heard Sean Hannity today quickly quip such when launching his anti-Jackson, anti-NAACP, etc schtick--that they weren't charged because 'unfortunately' there is no statute against what they did and giving a free pass to claims it was a prank. That's BS. What they did clearly constitutes harassment, terroristic threats and related general offences even if there is no 'hate crime' on the books as alleged. They should have been quickly charged with those crimes and if they had then I suspect the situation would not have boiled over.

The fact that the noose boys got no charges and the 6 got slapped with an attempted murder charge which is obscenely excessive is very condemning in my eyes and I can't find any credible excuse for the huge discrepancy in how the noose guys and the 6 were treated except the role of employing personal bigotry and/or accomodating local bigotries of the local white population to whom he is accountable in local politics. From what I have been reading about the area, it seems much of Jim Crow and 'Don't Let The Sun Set On You Here' is still there in actual practice where the form says no for a dog and pony show but the substance says yes. If the event helps expose this kind of situation as alleged, then it's well overdue to get exposed and the fraud of the formality held to account.

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Another example that proves Blaques shouldn't even bother living in the racism dominated South. Don't they ever get tired of being treated like second class citizens?
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Another example that proves Blaques shouldn't even bother living in the racism dominated South. Don't they ever get tired of being treated like second class citizens?
Why should they be the ones to leave exactly? One could argue since they are the ones with the problem with black people they should move to Nebraska or some place like that.
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Another example that proves Blaques shouldn't even bother living in the racism dominated South. Don't they ever get tired of being treated like second class citizens?
"Blaques" ?

Whats up with that.
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I personally feel that this is bullshit whats happening to these kids

apparently alot of u dont pay attention because the noose incident was just a catalyst from the racial tensions that had been going around for a while. there a at least 3x more black men in america that get executed for the same crimes white men get life or an even lesser sentence than that. I personally know since my best friend who is damn near a brother to me has expressed his thoughts on racism that he was given both by his family and his own personal thought. Most whites i know want to believe and tell themselves that the days of dogs and water hoses are over and that now us blacks are just trying to get over on the system. the jena 6 attacked because one off the kids in the jena 6 was BEATEN at a social gathering and the white kid justin barker was teasing them about both the beatings and the noose. they kicked his ass because he was starting trouble and now they wanna say that its attempted murder. they didnt attack him with the intent to kill they attacked him with the intent to beat him up. and what kind of BS prosecutor uses SHOES as deadly weapons. seeing how as hard as the human bones are he mind as well count peoples fists as deadly weapons
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Another example that proves Blaques shouldn't even bother living in the racism dominated South. Don't they ever get tired of being treated like second class citizens?
WTF do you know? Do some research, genius, and you'll discover that there have been more race riots in northern states than there have been in southern states. Uninformed people like you don't like to think about things like that because it goes against your grain to actually learn the facts. Instead, you'd rather post bullshit and hope that people are stupid enough to believe you and for those that are, I pity them.
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WTF do you know? Do some research, genius, and you'll discover that there have been more race riots in northern states than there have been in southern states. Uninformed people like you don't like to think about things like that because it goes against your grain to actually learn the facts. Instead, you'd rather post bullshit and hope that people are stupid enough to believe you and for those that are, I pity them.
actually hes talking about racism in the south because any person that lives in america and is actually educated is not stupid or naive enough to possibly think that there lies more racist treatment of blacks in the north than in the south. in the north and south there still exists the idea of blacks as second class citizens but its way more prevalent in the south. i know this from the attitudes of people ive met that are from down south and tell me what there parents and there friends discuss with them about race. i have no idea where u get ur logic or ur fact but i advise you to get it right and from both the picture and ur choice of words i wonder where u are from and what ur stance actually is on Jena 6 so how about u actually think about what the hell u are saying before u go critiquing someone else's posts and calling them uneducated. also just because there were more race riots in the north doesnt mean theres more racism in the north. what kind of idiotic BS are u putting out there
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Old 09-22-2007
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actually hes talking about racism in the south because any person that lives in america and is actually educated is not stupid or naive enough to possibly think that there lies more racist treatment of blacks in the north than in the south. in the north and south there still exists the idea of blacks as second class citizens but its way more prevalent in the south. i know this from the attitudes of people ive met that are from down south and tell me what there parents and there friends discuss with them about race. i have no idea where u get ur logic or ur fact but i advise you to get it right and from both the picture and ur choice of words i wonder where u are from and what ur stance actually is on Jena 6 so how about u actually think about what the hell u are saying before u go critiquing someone else's posts and calling them uneducated. also just because there were more race riots in the north doesnt mean theres more racism in the north. what kind of idiotic BS are u putting out there
Pretty caustic bullshit for your second post! BTW, typing "ur", "u" and not capitalizing or using punctation denotes laziness.

I am from Louisiana, the state where Jena 6 occurred, as my profile plainly shows and while I won't deny that there is racism in areas here, I also know plenty of northerners who are also racists. After Katrina, we had an influx of people from places like Michigan, New York, Wisconsin and as far west as California. I've dealt with them for the past year and a half in the bar I work in and I can tell you that many of them display as much or more racism as southerners do, proving that racism isn't a "southern" thing. Most southerners I know aren't racists though I do know some from rural areas that are. The few that are are mostly uneducated "white trash" but they generally don't harm anyone. I know many prejudiced people but the prejudice isn't confined to one race, it's against anyone, white, black, yellow, green or purple, who won't work, preferring the welfare check instead. I agree with their prejudices because I have no use for ANY able-bodied person that won't contribute to society nor do I have use for any man that has six kids by six different women and fails to support any of them. Unfortunately, many mistake those prejudices as racism but I can't help the misconceptions of a few idiots.

As for my opinion on Jena 6, I think it's very sad that our justice system is so unfair. Those kids should never have been charged with anything more than assault and battery and hopefully, this will be rectified. Unfortunately though, racism still thrives in many areas of rural America but it's in no way indicative of the opinions of the whole region though closed minded people will never admit it.
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I haven't seen a thread on this so I will start one. The thing about this incident is that it doesn't surprise me at all. It sucks that they black people got much harsher penalties than white that had committed similar acts and really sucks that these kids in this town felt they needed to ask permission to hang out under a tree which later had nooses hung on it but this sort of thing is pretty standard in a community only 20 miles from my home. In Marshall County here in Western Kentucky the only thing that keeps incidents like this from happening is that black people don't even try to move there. It is almost completely white and it is a unwritten rule that black people can't move there and in situations they have it led to vandalism, harassment, and physical assault and battery. Now nobody even tries. I would say that as bad a Jena is there are some places black people can't even live safely. Then there is this new news this morning.

Two arrested in noose incident near Jena, Louisiana - CNN.com
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The South is taking what advantage the Bushies are giving regarding a return to the 1950's- in terms of race relations.
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The South is taking what advantage the Bushies are giving regarding a return to the 1950's- in terms of race relations.
Ah, yes, how could we have failed to see that Bush was behind this all along....
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I trust you know about DOJ and the Ga Voter Id Bill?
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