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Joao Dasilva · #46 (**permalink**) 09-22-2007

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Originally Posted by pramjockey

Nicely ignoring the other part of her post.

Excellent debate technique!

I trust you've read the La. voting info?

Granted, Louisiana attempts to curtail the franchise- many states (mostly Southern) do that.

However, requiring a Picture ID is a 'poll tax', as the courts have found in those states covered by the Voting Rights Act.

Note: The exception to this rule (so far, as it is bound to fall) is Indiana's Picture Id law. (See: American Civil Liberties Union : Indiana Civil Liberties Union and Broad Coalition Challenge State's New Voting Rights Rules - 24k ).

What has saved Indiana (so far) is that it is not covered by the 65 legistation.

Mrs. M · #47 (**permalink**) 09-22-2007

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Originally Posted by Joao Dasilva

I trust you've read the La. voting info?

Granted, Louisiana attempts to curtail the franchise- many states (mostly Southern) do that.

However, requiring a Picture ID is a 'poll tax', as the courts have found in those states covered by the Voting Rights Act.

Note: The exception to this rule (so far, as it is bound to fall) is Indiana's Picture Id law. (See: American Civil Liberties Union : Indiana Civil Liberties Union and Broad Coalition Challenge State's New Voting Rights Rules - 24k ).

What has saved Indiana (so far) is that it is not covered by the 65 legistation.

It's a shame that you scream about voter fraud and then cry about a surefire way to prevent some cases. Wake up, boy, and see the real world without all the partisan bullshit for a change! You'll be surprised at what you're missing.

Joao Dasilva · #48 (**permalink**) 09-22-2007

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Originally Posted by Mrs. M

It's a shame that you scream about voter fraud and then cry about a surefire way to prevent some cases. Wake up, boy, and see the real world without all the partisan bullshit for a change! You'll be surprised at what you're missing.

When you actually post something worth responding to, I will answer.

Just whining about facts you don't like does not count.

Mrs. M · #49 (**permalink**) 09-22-2007

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Originally Posted by Joao Dasilva

When you actually post something worth responding to, I will answer.

Just whining about facts you don't like does not count.

Hon, if I waited until you actually posted something worth responding to, I'd be dead by the time it happened. I've presented you with facts but you don't like them because you'd rather believe that we're all ignorant racists trying to keep blacks behind the wood pile here in Louisiana. Get out of the 60's, kid! It's 2007, for goodness sake! I LIVE in Louisiana and know that most things are not as you say they are. Every state has problems and La. is no different! However, to hear you tell it, it's just the south that's full of voter problems and racism...geez, I really have no patience for such ignorance!

Mrs. M · #50 (**permalink**) 09-22-2007

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Originally Posted by Joao Dasilva

When you actually post something worth responding to, I will answer.

Just whining about facts you don't like does not count.

BTW, check out the facts in post #45.

Joao Dasilva · #51 (**permalink**) 09-22-2007

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Originally Posted by Mrs. M

"a picture ID or a signed affidavit" (not 'affadavit') is required...one or the other. Since a picture ID is needed at the bank to cash a check, at the welfare office, at the food stamp office, etc., there's no reason for a person not to have one, especially since they only cost $18 and are good for four years. However, if those that don't want to get an ID want to go through the hassle of going to the Registrar of Voters office with several forms of ID, including a birth certificate which also cost money, and then after signing the affidavit, still having to bring other forms of ID with them to the polling place, then more power to them. And to those too stupid to understand the need for a picture ID or affidavit when voting, don't bitch about voter fraud when Joe Blow votes in the place of his dead dad and uncle along with his own vote.

As I stated, a picture ID is not required to vote in La.

That the state of Louisiana tries to make poor people jump throught as many hoops as possible to get the benefits entitled to is no big whoop.

It's very predictable, in fact.

And a sure sign of the racism which permiates the society.

Joao Dasilva · #52 (**permalink**) 09-22-2007

And fyi, the overvoting Mrs M. references only exists in the heads of those who don't want Blacks voting in the first place.

There has NEVER been a case of systemic overvoting proven in the US.

However, disenfranchising Blacks (and others) who don't vote Republican has been proven in numerous court cases.

So, let's concentrate on what's real.

Dilettante · #53 (**permalink**) 09-22-2007

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Originally Posted by Joao Dasilva

And fyi, the overvoting Mrs M. references only exists in the heads of those who don't want Blacks voting in the first place.

There has NEVER been a case of systemic overvoting proven in the US.

However, disenfranchising Blacks (and others) who don't vote Republican has been proven in numerous court cases.

So, let's concentrate on what's real.

Perhaps, and I know this is a crazy thought, we could try to concentrate on the recent events in Jena, Louisiana rather than on voting reforms or abuses. What with the title of the thread being "Jena 6" and all, I figured it would be pretty cute if the discussion actually centered on that.
Again, if you want to fire up a thread on the GA voter ID law (or on voting requirements more generally) it might prove to be an interesting topic.

Joao Dasilva · #54 (**permalink**) 09-22-2007

I trust you heard the District Attorney (Washington? the man's name) try to simultaneously deflect the blame for Bush's DOJ decision not to consider the nooses hung a month previously a 'racist act', and yet explain that a winning football season is definitive proof that the school had 'No racial problems' ?

AjaxPress · #55 (**permalink**) 09-24-2007

What's considered a joke (hanging nooses on trees) in the South is considered offensive in every other part of the country. Why is the Southern culture so damn backwards? Why are the wight kids in this case being hailed as hero's? That wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else in the country.

Dilettante · #56 (**permalink**) 09-24-2007

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Originally Posted by AjaxPress

What's considered a joke (hanging nooses on trees) in the South is considered offensive in every other part of the country. Why is the Southern culture so damn backwards? Why are the wight kids in this case being hailed as hero's? That wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else in the country.

Who has hailed the kids who hung the nooses as heros?

Mrs. M · #57 (**permalink**) 09-24-2007

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Originally Posted by Joao Dasilva

And fyi, the overvoting Mrs M. references only exists in the heads of those who don't want Blacks voting in the first place.

There has NEVER been a case of systemic overvoting proven in the US.

However, disenfranchising Blacks (and others) who don't vote Republican has been proven in numerous court cases.

So, let's concentrate on what's real.

This is bullshit as has been proven to you in other threads. That you can't accept facts is YOUR problem, not mine.

Mrs. M · #58 (**permalink**) 09-24-2007

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Originally Posted by AjaxPress

What's considered a joke (hanging nooses on trees) in the South is considered offensive in every other part of the country. Why is the Southern culture so damn backwards? Why are the wight kids in this case being hailed as hero's? That wouldn't be tolerated anywhere else in the country.

Do you have proof that nooses are considered a joke in the south or are you just spreading your usual bullshit? And who the fuck is hailing the kids as heroes? Either get your facts straight or shut the hell up about things you're totally ignorant about.

partofme · #59 (**permalink**) 09-24-2007

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Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Do you have proof that nooses are considered a joke in the south or are you just spreading your usual bullshit? And who the fuck is hailing the kids as heroes? Either get your facts straight or shut the hell up about things you're totally ignorant about.

While it is dumb to generalize a whole region it is what many in positions of authority seem to believe in that town.

Mrs. M · #60 (**permalink**) 09-24-2007

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Originally Posted by partofme

While it is dumb to generalize a whole region it is what many in positions of authority seem to believe in that town.

I fail to see where anyone has hailed them as heroes and even the "facts" presented in the national media are being challenged by some locally. Even if some southerners do view the kids as heroes, I'd be willing to bet you'd find just as many elsewhere in the country that hold the same opinion. Ajax has proven that he's a bigoted and ignorant person with his comments and I'll call him on it every time. Like you said, generalizing is DUMB!

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