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Old 11-10-2007
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Re: Kiss Another $50,000,000 Goodbye, Abstinence Program Gets Renewed

This is just another agenda to pacify the puritans. The "well, we ARE trying at least" gesture.
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Old 11-13-2007
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Re: Kiss Another $50,000,000 Goodbye, Abstinence Program Gets Renewed

Teens are going to have sex, regardless if we put 100 f--king billion dollars into these stupid programs. What are people not undestanding about how money and programs DO NOT solve every problem? Just look at education.
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Re: Kiss Another $50,000,000 Goodbye, Abstinence Program Gets Renewed

More than 1 million reported chlamydia cases set STD record - CNN.com

Clearly abstinence propaganda is not the solution.


There was one thing we did in a class I taught that may have helped though. Pictures of HPV-infected genitalia. Shit, after that I didn't want to have sex for a while. I think my students were appropriately concerned as well.
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Old 11-14-2007
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Re: Kiss Another $50,000,000 Goodbye, Abstinence Program Gets Renewed

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Yes and I'm empowering the parent to be able to do that by not giving a judgement in schools, sex should be tought there in an objective manner like all other school subjects.

I still think there are many factual misconceptions around about protection and STDs. Only when those are gone can people make good judgements.
Actually you have just said that you don't trust parents to properly teach their children. That seems like a very dangerous way of thinking, IMO.
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Re: Kiss Another $50,000,000 Goodbye, Abstinence Program Gets Renewed

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Seems reasonable to me, though pity the children whose parents neglect/refuse to do so.
I should not have to pay for those who don't.
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Old 11-14-2007
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Re: Kiss Another $50,000,000 Goodbye, Abstinence Program Gets Renewed

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I am a teenager. And while I am not having sex, nor do I have any immediate plans to do so, there are many who do. Abstinence is a personal choice, and having older people come in and lecture us and show us graphic pictures of STDs isn't changing anything. Teens (not all, but some) will have sex anyway. A much better way to help would be half and half- sure, preach abstinence, but at the end of the day, teens are going to benefit more if you teach them "safe sex".
And teaching "safe sex" isn't ENCOURAGING us to have sex. All it's doing is helping lower the risks, because those kids will have sex anyways if they're set on it.
That's IMO.

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Well said Lexie. People who suggest that teaching kids safe sex encourages them to have sex, must thereby also infer that taking a defensive driving course encourages you to drive crazily!
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Re: Kiss Another $50,000,000 Goodbye, Abstinence Program Gets Renewed

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Actually you have just said that you don't trust parents to properly teach their children. That seems like a very dangerous way of thinking, IMO.
The reality is that there are people (parents) in this world who either don't care enough about their children to teach them at all, or don't teach them correctly. It's not a dangerous way of thinking ... it's just a very sad fact.

You need a licence to drive a car; you need a licence to own a gun; heck you even need a licence to go fishing ... but any prick with a d*ck and a vagina can make a baby. What's even more unfortunate is that quite often it's the people who should least be put in charge of raising a child that are able to have one! Grrrr....
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Re: Kiss Another $50,000,000 Goodbye, Abstinence Program Gets Renewed

schools should IMHO be teaching science , mathematics and other courses which enhance the student's ability to be productive and earn a good wage at a good job.

schools should not be teaching sex education , or handing out condoms , or be involved in any ideology campaigns.
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schools should IMHO be teaching science , mathematics and other courses which enhance the student's ability to be productive and earn a good wage at a good job.

schools should not be teaching sex education , or handing out condoms , or be involved in any ideology campaigns.
But isn't sexual reproduction science? And isn't the pressure to not teach sex education succumbing to an ideology campaign in itself?
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Old 11-17-2007
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Male Birth Control Pill Stops Sperm in Brain
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It’s been almost ten years since Pfizer brought Viagra to the market. Now, researchers are working to crack the code on what could be another sexual health miracle: a male birth control pill.

This morning at a meeting of the American Association of Pharmaceutical Scientists, researchers described early work in rats on a pill that one day could render men temporarily infertile. The key is something called a selective androgen receptor modulator, or SARM. “These compounds suppress a brain hormone, and shut down sperm production in a reversible way,” Jim Dalton, vice president of research and development at GTx, tells the Health Blog. GTx, based in Memphis, Tenn., specializes in hormone treatments for cancer and men’s health.

To achieve birth control, men would have to take such a pill for two to three months to deplete their sperm. It would take about the same amount of time for them to return to full reproductive capacity after stopping the medicine. Even if all goes well, any pill is still five to 10 years away.

But in rats, the experimental drug, referred to as “C-31,” achieved 100% infertility at a dose of just a tenth of a milligram a day. Some 83% of rats treated with the drug regained fertility 70 days after treatment, according to an summary of the presentation. At 100 days, the fertility rate was 100%. The work was supported by a grant from the National Institutes of Health.

Many pharmaceutical companies are doing research in SARMs, which may help combat muscle and bone loss. Last week GTx inked a research pact with Merck on development of drugs for those uses.

A male contraceptive using SARMs could have the positive side effect of boosting muscle mass for users. “They’re not going to be disappointed with that,” says Dalton, also a professor at Ohio State University.

But the rats in the study didn’t gain or lose muscle mass. And their prostates shrank, an undesirable side effect. So there’s still plenty of work to be done before any drug from the work is ready for men.
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Re: Kiss Another $50,000,000 Goodbye, Abstinence Program Gets Renewed

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Personally, I believe that we should just leave teaching sex education to parents. That would solve the whole problem IMO. (I learned from my parents.)
I disagree with that. We need to give every child the objective facts about sex, protection and STDs (and about all drugs for that matter), without telling kids what to do or what is wrong and what is right. I do not trust that some parents will be able to tell their child the entire truth or have enough knowledge about sex.
What an odd post.

One of the most basic things about being a parent is teaching a child what is wrong and what is right. It's in the best interest of ones' child to be as honest, open, and frank when discussing the subject. Not telling the child "the entire truth" would be stupid. And, if a parent believes it's "wrong", the parent is perfectly within his or her rights to convey that to his or her child.

Bottom line: If it's not your kid, you shouldn't get a vote. Period...
(responding to bolded part) Yes and I'm empowering the parent to be able to do that by not giving a judgement in schools, sex should be tought there in an objective manner like all other school subjects.

I still think there are many factual misconceptions around about protection and STDs. Only when those are gone can people make good judgements.
Actually you have just said that you don't trust parents to properly teach their children. That seems like a very dangerous way of thinking, IMO.
So according to you schools shouldnt teach facts because it insults the parent's abilities to do so? Thats a ridiculous way of thinking.

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