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Old 11-12-2007
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I drink tall, weak drinks but I still don't want to have to try and pass a field sobriety test in 4" heels!!!
I cannot for the life of me figure out why American cops uses such a primitive method to determine if drivers are drunk. Danish cops always uses a alcometer with digit numbers, and its a lot faster and effective that way.
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And a lot of your puke in Copenhagen. You should not be allowed to enter Denmark without vomit bags!
Why? Is there anything more relevant to do on Danish soil than to puke?
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Why? Is there anything more relevant to do on Danish soil than to puke?
Actually no. I consider it a compliment if foreigners wanna throw up here.
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Re: The drinking age:

I don't have a problem with DUI checkpoints. I don't drive drunk. If these checkpoints get just one drunk off the road that night, any "inconvenience" is worth it...
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I don't have a problem with DUI checkpoints. I don't drive drunk. If these checkpoints get just one drunk off the road that night, any "inconvenience" is worth it...
Please don't misunderstand, I'm not condoning the practice of drunken driving. However, in light of Dr. Goodtrip's earlier post regarding other equally unsafe driving practices, and my own experience and anecdotally those of my friends and co-workers, the odds that the one drunk that was removed having been the one to get in a wreck that night, let alone cause injury to others, seems astronomically small. I don't think the intrusion on civil liberties and general overall inconvenience to many others is worth this small chance of a payback. I think we could expend our financial and manpower resources in other areas to better contribute to public safety.
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I don't think the intrusion on civil liberties and general overall inconvenience to many others is worth this small chance of a payback.
Jesus Fucking Christ.

"Intrusion on civil liberties"?? Where? How?

You come to a stop and a cop asks you some simple questions. That's hardly an "intrustion".

Also, I'd be interested ins eeing the data you used to determine that "one drunk" gets removed. I've seen checkpoints that have netted a dozen drunks. Quite a bad night to be a drunk...
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Jesus Fucking Christ.

"Intrusion on civil liberties"?? Where? How?

You come to a stop and a cop asks you some simple questions. That's hardly an "intrustion".

Also, I'd be interested ins eeing the data you used to determine that "one drunk" gets removed. I've seen checkpoints that have netted a dozen drunks. Quite a bad night to be a drunk...
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It's also funny whenever you read in the papers how successful these checkpoints are. They'll usually say something like "680 cars stopped, 17 people tested, 4 people arrested".

(funny, by guesstimate was spot on. For tests in 2006, it looks like one person was arrested for every 150-200 people stopped in my county: Welcome to MADD Loudoun County)
I don't particularly care for the checkpoints because I think more drunk drivers can be caught just by cops driving around. That's how the majority of them are caught in my city because if there's a checkpoint, someone calls someone else who tells someone else, etc. and then anyone that's drinking tries to avoid the checkpoint. I can't count the number of times a customer yelled out to the entire bar, "Hey, y'all, don't go down Lopez Street. The cops are set up there."
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I don't particularly care for the checkpoints because I think more drunk drivers can be caught just by cops driving around. That's how the majority of them are caught in my city because if there's a checkpoint, someone calls someone else who tells someone else, etc. and then anyone that's drinking tries to avoid the checkpoint. I can't count the number of times a customer yelled out to the entire bar, "Hey, y'all, don't go down Lopez Street. The cops are set up there."
Well, I like 'em.

I wish they had more of them, just so the pamty-waists around here whining about their "civil liberties" are inconvenienced even more...
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Jesus Fucking Christ.

"Intrusion on civil liberties"?? Where? How?

You come to a stop and a cop asks you some simple questions. That's hardly an "intrustion".

Also, I'd be interested ins eeing the data you used to determine that "one drunk" gets removed. I've seen checkpoints that have netted a dozen drunks. Quite a bad night to be a drunk...
I shouldn't have to be stopped to prove I'm doing nothing wrong. I consider that an intrusion. And you are specifically the one who said "one drunk" was worth it, Steve. I wasn't offering any data.

And even with a dozen drunks, odd are slim you've removed a single accident from the scheme. These checkpoints will catch those barely over the legal limit as well, and I think it can be reasonably agreed that they are not the flagrant violators generally causing injury to others.
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I shouldn't have to be stopped to prove I'm doing nothing wrong. I consider that an intrusion. And you are specifically the one who said "one drunk" was worth it, Steve. I wasn't offering any data.

And even with a dozen drunks, odd are slim you've removed a single accident from the scheme. These checkpoints will catch those barely over the legal limit as well, and I think it can be reasonably agreed that they are not the flagrant violators generally causing injury to others.
those check points here are multipurpose.
check license , insurance , and to see if anyone gives off indications of being drunk.

they are good , and not invasive if you want the privilege of driving on our roads
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Re: The drinking age:

I'm with hermanboo. I can think of a couple of valid arguments against the roadblocks, pertaining specifically to the Fourth Amendment. But, then again, I have always considered driving a priviledge, and not a right. So, the roadblocks might just be considered "the rules of the road."
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I shouldn't have to be stopped to prove I'm doing nothing wrong. I consider that an intrusion.
Hey, guess what?

Tough shit...
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Hey, guess what?

Tough shit...
i wish you were as ardent in your support of the other amendments as you are of the 2nd. Ah, well.
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i wish you were as ardent in your support of the other amendments as you are of the 2nd. Ah, well.
I am.

I don't see having to answer a few questions as a violation of the 4th amendment. Also, you don't have a right to operate a motor vehicle. It's a privledge...
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Hey, guess what?

Tough shit...
Hey, guess what, BFD. I really don't give that big a shit if I'm stopped, and I can see the argument about driving being a privelige. I just don't think the roadblocks do much for our greater good, and really consider them a waste of my time and our governemntal resources.

And you know, a regular dose of Mylanta might help that generally dyspeptic nature of yours.
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