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Re: The drinking age:

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I don't see where stopping someone and asking some questions is "unreasonable". Further, you've failed, miserably I might add, to demonstrate how it is...
I think you're interpreting the word "unreasonable" as "inconvenient" or something. Maybe you're thinking along the lines of "it's not unreasonable if you've got nothing to hide".

Plain and simple, it is flat out illegal for a police officer to stop you and question you for no reason while walking down the street, minding your own business. I'd hate to live in a police state where the case was otherwise.

I'll ask you again: What exactly are they going to question me about?
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Plain and simple, it is flat out illegal for a police officer to stop you and question you for no reason while walking down the street, minding your own business.
No, you want it to be a illegal.

That's a long way from it being so, however...
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Re: The drinking age:

Steve, why did the guy who worked for you get asked to step out of the car? Was he running his mouth or something? IMO - the best place for someone drunk to be is in the passenger seat, so I'm not seeing what he had done wrong by being there.
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No, you want it to be a illegal.

That's a long way from it being so, however...
I'm sorry to inform you that you are incorrect.

Since you can't even give an example of the type of question that a police officer might ask me while walking down the street, I'll have to conclude that you don't know what you're talking about.
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Steve, why did the guy who worked for you get asked to step out of the car? Was he running his mouth or something? IMO - the best place for someone drunk to be is in the passenger seat, so I'm not seeing what he had done wrong by being there.
I spoke to the arresting officer when I went to get them at the city lock-up. According to him, the guy worked for me was actually asleep until the cop woke him up...
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I'm sorry to inform you that you are incorrect.

Since you can't even give an example of the type of question that a police officer might ask me while walking down the street, I'll have to conclude that you don't know what you're talking about.
And since you're unable to demonstrate how asking someone some questions is "unreasonable", I will conclude that same.

See, you don't know why a cop is asking you questions. Assuming that he has no reason to do it is stupid.

If a cop approaches me and asks "Where are you going?" or "What are you doing here?", I'll answer him; no big deal. I would hardly see it as a violation of my 4th amendment rights...
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See, you don't know why a cop is asking you questions. Assuming that he has no reason to do it is stupid.
Oh, I'm sure the officer would have some reason for asking the questions, even if his reason is simply "I don't like the looks of that guy".

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If a cop approaches me and asks "Where are you going?" or "What are you doing here?", I'll answer him; no big deal. I would hardly see it as a violation of my 4th amendment rights...
And what if he doesn't like your answers? What if he doesn't believe that you're just "out for a walk". Is it then unreasonable for him to bring you in to the station for further questioning? Should be no problem, right?

Reqardless of your interpretation of the word "unreasonable", they can't just stop and question you. It's called harrassment.
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Re: The drinking age:

Would waking up someone who is in drunk and in the passenger seat, just to get them out of the car and arrest them for public drunkenness be considered unreasonable?
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Oh, I'm sure the officer would have some reason for asking the questions, even if his reason is simply "I don't like the looks of that guy".


And what if he doesn't like your answers? What if he doesn't believe that you're just "out for a walk". Is it then unreasonable for him to bring you in to the station for further questioning? Should be no problem, right?

Reqardless of your interpretation of the word "unreasonable", they can't just stop and question you. It's called harrassment.
Clearly, you're one of those unreasonable sorts who lives in constant fear of anyone in a position of authority.

You've still not shown how it's harrassment, not to mention a violation of the 4th amendment...
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Would waking up someone who is in drunk and in the passenger seat, just to get them out of the car and arrest them for public drunkenness be considered unreasonable?
I believe it was. But it happened...
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Would waking up someone who is in drunk and in the passenger seat, just to get them out of the car and arrest them for public drunkenness be considered unreasonable?
I call bullshit. No one is ever charged with being "drunk in public" unless they were doing something else illegal to attract attention.
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Clearly, you're one of those unreasonable sorts who lives in constant fear of anyone in a position of authority.
With your definition of "unreasonable", anything is possible. Yes Steve, you've got me pegged - I tremble at the mere site of a school crossing guard.

Let's be realistic here for a moment, shall we? In the real world, nobody gets charged with only public intoxication. It's usually tacked on with something like disorderly conduct or urinating in public. Of course, I've never been to South Carolina - remind me to never go there.

There have been many a time when I walked home while drunk, ridden the subways while drunk, etc, but the police never looked twice at me.
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In Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), the United States Supreme Court ruled that, without probable cause or a warrant, the police can briefly detain a person for investigatory purposes if the officer has a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. The Court determined that such a stop need not be based upon probable cause necessary to effect an arrest under the Fourth Amendment, but must be based upon specific and articulable facts that give rise to a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.
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With your definition of "unreasonable", anything is possible. Yes Steve, you've got me pegged - I tremble at the mere site of a school crossing guard.

Let's be realistic here for a moment, shall we? In the real world, nobody gets charged with only public intoxication. It's usually tacked on with something like disorderly conduct or urinating in public. Of course, I've never been to South Carolina - remind me to never go there.

There have been many a time when I walked home while drunk, ridden the subways while drunk, etc, but the police never looked twice at me.
Never go to SC. If you see a big peach that looks like an ass, turn around and drive as quickly as possible back into my state.
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In Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), the United States Supreme Court ruled that, without probable cause or a warrant, the police can briefly detain a person for investigatory purposes if the officer has a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. The Court determined that such a stop need not be based upon probable cause necessary to effect an arrest under the Fourth Amendment, but must be based upon specific and articulable facts that give rise to a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.
Thank you JHC. It would be unreasonable (and a violation of the Fourth Amendment) for the police to stop and question someone for merely walking down the sidewalk.

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Never go to SC. If you see a big peach that looks like an ass, turn around and drive as quickly as possible back into my state.
Will do! I'll drive back into NC and meet you for a drink!
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