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Not surprising, as your own post indicates you may well have a drinking problem.

Lemme' ask you something" If you were walking down the street (and, just for fun, let's assume you're sober) and a cop approached you and asked you what you were doing, where you were going, etc., would you sue the police department for violating your "rights"?
Lemme ask you a something: If you were walking down the street (and, just for fun, lets assume you're sober), and I apprached you and asked you what you were doing, where you were going, etc..., would you feel inclined to answer?
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I believe it was. But it happened...
And that doesn't suck? How exactly was that person being a menace to society?
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When it comes to DUI checkpoints,... I categorically do not take the attitude of endless trust that, simply because I do nothing wrong, my world will be filled with nothing but penny whistles and moon pies.
mmmm, moon pies and penny whistles
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Re: The drinking age:

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Lemme ask you a something: If you were walking down the street (and, just for fun, lets assume you're sober), and I apprached you and asked you what you were doing, where you were going, etc..., would you feel inclined to answer?
I would not, but if you would then identify yourself as a law enforcement officer and state reasonable causes for your questions, I would answer.
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Re: The drinking age:

As psychoactive substances are the topic I know more about than anything else it's somewhat difficult to take a discussion of legal restrictions on alcohol in the United States seriously, because alcohol (and tobacco) are specifically exempted from the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) without any explanation. The CSA (1970) established federal "drug scheduling" to place a given psychoactive substance on one of five levels ("schedules") according to their safety, potential for abuse and addiction/dependence, and accepted medical use. Schedule I drugs, which include marijuana and heroin, are totally illegal. Schedules II through V are all available (with decreasing restrictions) for pharmacological purposes. Methamphetamine is Schedule II.

Laws against psychoactive substances tend to lose their meaning when they are applied arbitrarily. Alcohol clearly meets the conditions required to place it in Schedule I, thereby criminalizing its possession, consumption, manufacture, and distribution across the board. Ultimately it falls on the public to exercise what little common sense they can muster (by virtue of lack of education and/or experience) in all matters related to drugs, including alcohol.
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I would not, but if you would then identify yourself as a law enforcement officer and state reasonable causes for your questions, I would answer.
Quite.

If I had a reasonable cause to ask you these questions, would it matter if I were a cop?
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And that doesn't suck? How exactly was that person being a menace to society?
It absolutely sucks, and I saw nothing to suggest he was being a menace to society.

But he was arrested for public intoxication...
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Lemme ask you a something: If you were walking down the street (and, just for fun, lets assume you're sober), and I apprached you and asked you what you were doing, where you were going, etc..., would you feel inclined to answer?
You?

No, I wouldn't.

Why would I?
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Well, we've already established that it is illegal for them to stop and question me without probable cause - so yes, they would've "harrassed" me.
Where has it been established that it would be illegal?
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You?

No, I wouldn't.

Why would I?
A police officer making this request has no more right to question you than do I unless he suspects criminal activity.
On a personal level, feel free to bend over if someone in uniform asks you to do so. I'm just saying...you are not required to.
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In Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), the United States Supreme Court ruled that, without probable cause or a warrant, the police can briefly detain a person for investigatory purposes if the officer has a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. The Court determined that such a stop need not be based upon probable cause necessary to effect an arrest under the Fourth Amendment, but must be based upon specific and articulable facts that give rise to a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.
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Where has it been established that it would be illegal?
Of course, you could look it up yourself. Or, you could continue to work on unfounded assumptions.
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Re: The drinking age:

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A police officer making this request has no more right to question you than do I unless he suspects criminal activity.
On a personal level, feel free to bend over if someone in uniform asks you to do so. I'm just saying...you are not required to.
You asked if I would feel inclined to respond, not if I would feel required to respond.

Surely that's a distinction you can make.

And, on the whole "bend over" thing, keep that amongst you and your friends, huh? No need for stupid bullshit like that here...
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Of course, you could look it up yourself. Or, you could continue to work on unfounded assumptions.
You're saying it would be illegal.

Fine.

Please provide a reference to some case law which demonstrates that a policeman asking you a question, when there is no reason to suspect you're involved in a crime, is illegal...
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You're saying it would be illegal.

Fine.

Please provide a reference to some case law which demonstrates that a policeman asking you a question, when there is no reason to suspect you're involved in a crime, is illegal...
Do you having a reading comprehension problem? JHC listed a case for you twice:

In Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), the United States Supreme Court ruled that, without probable cause or a warrant, the police can briefly detain a person for investigatory purposes if the officer has a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. The Court determined that such a stop need not be based upon probable cause necessary to effect an arrest under the Fourth Amendment, but must be based upon specific and articulable facts that give rise to a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.

The case was Terry v. Ohio. Note the bolded parts - they can't just stop you for no reason - they have to have a reasonable suspicion that you're doing something illegal.
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Re: The drinking age:

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Do you having a reading comprehension problem? JHC listed a case for you twice:

In Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), the United States Supreme Court ruled that, without probable cause or a warrant, the police can briefly detain a person for investigatory purposes if the officer has a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. The Court determined that such a stop need not be based upon probable cause necessary to effect an arrest under the Fourth Amendment, but must be based upon specific and articulable facts that give rise to a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.

The case was Terry v. Ohio. Note the bolded parts - they can't just stop you for no reason - they have to have a reasonable suspicion that you're doing something illegal.
Let's say a cop stops you on the street and asks you who you are, where you're going, yadayadayada.

Who makes the determination, right then and there, as to whether or not those questions are warranted? I got a buck that says it isn't you...
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