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But do some blacks go thru life with a huge chip on their shoulders?

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Blacks use accusations of racism because it works--it intimidates
Whitey and makes Whites acquiesce to their demands. And it will
continue to work until Whites collectively grow a spine.

I'm surprised at the number of ignorant posts coming in this thread. I'm not surprised that most of the ignorant posts are coming from conservatives.

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"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

Um, no, he was right. White heterosexual victims are counted in the Hate Crimes statistics put out every year by the FBI.

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It's not a race issue, it's a culture thing.

And there is a common element with in Ghetto culture that seeks to proactively offend the "White People" and act like a total jack ass.

You don't get that attitude from the Asian or Hispanic community.


It's like Dave Chappel said, "I prefer getting high with white people"

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One day, I will sneak across the border into Canada and be an illegal alien. It will be fun.

I never heard Canadian negros complain about these things, so maybe America is just a more ill and bigoted society. We all know for a fact that negros in America get much harsher punishments by the criminal justice system.

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It all comes down to this on election day: Are you a racist, or do you look down on spastics?

Not true at all. The amount of court sentences handed out every day in the US, from minor traffic violations to murder cases, is quite a lot. You may hear about cases now and then were minorities are given harsher sentences than their white counter parts, but this is usually because such situations are rare.

If you have some sort of statistics to show that giving harsher punishments to minorities is a standard practice here, I'd love to see it.

In addition, the opening of your post does a disservice to all the black people in Canada who have suffered at the hands of racism there. There is plenty of material online about the struggles, past and present, of black people in Canada. Do they have it better than black people have it down here? I certainly couldn't say, so I highly doubt you could.

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I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

What posts are ignorant, according to you, and why?

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First-hand knowledge would "mean" that you were actually witness not only to traffic stop, but were also privy to the officer's mindset and reason for making it. Your wife's family's race is irrelevent.

Another so what? You sound fairly closed minded yourself. Does her immediate family represent an entire race of people? I doubt it, but perhaps you can explain how it is so.

Since I have never, nor am I ever likely to have a conversation with Oprah, you'll have to ask those questions of her yourself the next time she consulting with you and discussing her motivations for the causes she supports. Frankly, I don't have much interest in it.

Irrelivant to who? Cops are jerks to everyone when they stop them. Your race has nothing to do with this. In the words a an officer I went through Real Estate school with, "I wouldn't want to spend any time with other cops because they're all mostly a bunch of jerks!"

I would say that since my wife's family is Black and are still afraid not to say 'Sir' when talking to whites I guess they have a pretty good idea what's going on and would represent a good cross-section of the African-American population, not to mention that there are at least 300 of them that I know of for sure that live in lower Alabama and Florida alone.

If he were alive today you could ask Sean Taylor formerly of the Washington Redskins if he thinks he has something to fear from living among poor Blacks in his old neighborhood. Oprah knows the deal as well as any black that has made it and pulled himself out of that hole. They are told by their friends that whatever it is they want to accomplish it's impossible. Stop dreaming. They pull anyone who wants to improve themselves back down with the rest of them because of jealousy. It happens all too often. They are a worst roadblock to their own advancement then whites.

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Wanna bet?



"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

I am 100% right (or, you are 100% wrong) because my response to Pramjockey was only addressing the comment about the PC crowd believing that blacks cannot be racists. I said nothing about whites being victims of hate crimes.

Kramer

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Albert Shanker, former president of the American Federation of Teachers

Irrelevent to your first hand knowledge of the situation. Perhaps cops are jerks to you because of your attitude. While I have indeed had bad experiences with pricks with badges, it's hardly the norm. Most cops I've dealt with have been professional and courtious.

Wow, your wife's immediate family has 300 members? I say sir and mam to people all the time. I'm neither black nor afraid.

As I said above, I don't know Oprah and have no interest in her causes or motivations. Did Sean Tayler or Oprah appoint you to speak for them? I must have missed that memo.

Perhaps you are in the habit of assuming wrongly, which is no great surprise after reading your posts.

Whenever a cop stopped me in the past I always said, "Yes Sir". They had no reason to be jerks. And I never said they all are jerks, just that they aren't selectively rude to people purely because of their race.

You say sir and mam all the time, but my point was that you have nothing to be afraid of if you don't........or has that escaped you along with everything else.

Sean Taylor was given as an example. What you do with it is up to you. It's not my problem you cannot recognize what that example represents.

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"We can't screw it up any worse than they have." - Barack Obama

Wanna bet?



"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste...." - Rahm Emmanuel

Actually, here is exactly what you said:



What "escapes me" is how someone who has never met me "assumes" to know specific details of my life.


But it is "your problem" that you "assume" (actually presume) to speak for people you obviously have had no personal interaction with, let alone discussions of subjects with before you run off at the mouth about their opinions and motivations.

Which goes back to my original point, which was, neither you nor I were present at the incident and as such have no first hand knowledge of what transpired or the motivations behind it. That sir, as imperfect as it may be, is why we have a judicial system.

Cute.

Really? I'd be pissed. Real pissed. We often don't acknowledge the enormous effect of slavery on black people. You go on to talk of your Native American heritage, and don't get me wrong, I color Cortez and Jackson as devils just as you must do, but I assume you at least know your tribe. I assume you have some idea of the history of your family. Imagine if your last name was the name of the person who abused your family for decades. Every time you sign your name, you would be carrying on that man's legacy.

We don't realize it, but African-American culture begins from slavery. Blacks were assimilated into the culture, taught that they were an inferior race, having that ingrained into their heads. And to assume that these conditions have simply worn off over the years is ignorant.

Have you ever eaten "chitlins"? I assume you haven't, but if you have, you most likely had it made for you or it was given to you by a black person. The reason? During slavery, blacks were fed "chitlins," more accurately "shit-loins," the intestines of a pig. Why? Because it was the most despisable part of the pig, and no slave owner really wanted it. And despite all the "hundreds of years" of what you seem to assume is racial equality, black people still eat chitlins. Why? Because culture is passed down from generation to generation.


Out of who? All the races in the world? Because you know that's not true.
They weren't violated and abused?

Like, you're just saying things that are untrue just because they're inflammatory. Nice debate style.
More ignorance. So Africa's current troubles are just because black people are prone to killing each other? Or could it be the aftereffects of hundreds of years of violent colonialism by European countries. Ever hear of the "Scramble for Africa?" Probably not. It refers to the rush of European countries to stake their claim in the continent once they realized it had resources. It's deplorable what was done. Want to claim that this was hundreds of years ago? Here's a map of Africa 93 years ago:


Notice that only the country of Ethiopia is under non-European control. Learn some history before you assume things.
Oops, forgot Liberia, the country which was created for ex-slaves to go to back in Africa based on Thomas Jefferson's assertion that what was done to the blacks during slavery was so horrible that free blacks could never forgive white people.


But it's not like many of them haven't experienced blatant discrimination. Hell, the Civil Rights movement was in the '60s! There are millions of people who were alive to see segregation, lynchings, and outright racism directed toward them by their own government.

*Pause to admire this kid Adrian Peterson. Why does Chester Taylor even play?!

This is my opinion, but I think that the use of the word "nigga" stems from the hundreds of years of socialization enforced by whites, to the point where black people degrade themselves.

One of the insults used to degrade African-Americans was their hair. The nappy, curly hair of blacks was seen as gross and inferior. White people don't really remember that, but ask a black person if they have "good hair" or "bad hair." I guarantee you that they'll claim that they have bad hair unless it has been straightened, softened, made to look as close to stereotypical white hair as possible. Interesting? It's amazing what has been passed down since slavery.

During slavery, blacks were not allowed to be educated. Some slaves were beaten just for trying to learn to read. Keeping slaves ignorant was in fact a tool of slavemasters, because it is always easier to exploit someone who doesn't know that they're being exploited. And to this day, blacks still lag far behind in education. Many people like yourselves seem to claim that it is because blacks are either genetically inferior or they just don't want an education. But is it possible that the culture of education being forbidden has been passed down just as many other aspects of slave culture? Is it possible that when combined with this culture, the gross inadequacy of many schools in which minorities dominate is the cause of this education gap?

Low socioeconomic status has been proven to be the root cause of many of the things you claim are black traits, such as crime and high birthrates. But how can you get a good job if you can't get a good education? Black people in America are stuck in a cycle of low education leading to poverty leading to crime leading to high birthrates leading to low education, etc. And to claim that white people are innocent in creating the situation is to stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes.

I'm glad that you've come to terms with racism and I'm glad that you can approach racist people in such a manner. Many African-Americans are of the same mindset as yourself. However, it is absurd to expect everyone to have the same tolerance for the gross indiscretions leveled against their people for centuries, Native Americans included.

So did she stop being black after those years? I know, I get your point, and at this point I'm tired of typing and I made a cheap attack on your error. Sorry.

Anyway, I read that sentence with sadness, for if you have truly succeeded in convincing a black person to share your own view of African-Americans, then you have done nothing but perpetuate the cycle noted above.

Absolutely. It sounds like we just have vastly different approaches in how to acheive this.

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