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Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere
No argument here. But the birthright citizenship hubbub is just such a distraction. There are 200,000 such children of illegals born here each year. That already adds up to millions. Most people know some of them, even if they aren't aware of it because they grow up Americans because they were born and raised here just like everyone else (minus immigrants).
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Well yes. And as I said, we're just plain stupid for allowing this.
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Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere
The big elephant in the room is--why are the illegals here in the first place, and why do so many have to come illegally?
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Because we're stupid and allow it. Can we find another country that allows this ?
No.
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Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere
If there was proper border control and a sensible immigration policy, the whole issue would be moot. Children born here would be of legal parents, and anyone who still wants to come illegally because they failed the legal requirements would be put out. Whether illegals even had children born here would be irrelevant, even if they are US citizens, because the parents are not legal and have no right to be here and laws should be enforced on that, instead of simply ignored as is often done.
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You say:
..laws should be enforced on that, instead of simply ignored as is often done.
And you're right. What should scare the HELL out of ANY conscious American is that its not just the LAWS that are being ignored, its part of our founding DOCUMENT:
Article IV, section 4 of the U.S. Constitution says;
The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union, a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion.
Not only does our GOVT. ignore this but "we the sheeple" do TOO.
What else can be said ? We're stupid ?
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Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere
And unless the above is done, if the 14th Amendment would be changed to keep US born children of illegals non-citizens, guess what they will do--come anyway just like all the others do. That would especially be the case with anyone born and raised here. Such people would be no less willing to leave or stay out than you would be. Instead, though, now the nation would just have more illegals rather than citizens who can avoid making their status other people's problems besides their own. Remember, people born here never jumped a fence. They are natives. Thus, the birthright citizenship argument is just a totally pointless exercise unless the root and real problems are fixed properly.
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The above will NOT be done. That being:
proper border control and a sensible immigration policy.
And
the root and real problems WON'T be fixed. Until the problem becomes so big that it cannot be ignored no matter WHAT.
That's because the root and real problems are that the people running this country are so tangled and enmeshed in a useless, mindless bureaucratic system and they can accomplish NOTHING.
"We the people" are at war with ourselves and our govt. is at war with itself TOO. These are the reasons little or nothing can be accomplished anymore.
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And of course, the politicians are trying to make it a partisan thing this election too--also a pile of crap. For example, when the GOP controlled the POTUS and both Houses of Congress, what did it do?
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Little or nothing.
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Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere
Nothing--including not create a sensible and functioning immigration policy whilst they left the borders wide open. And yet, now they have the nerve to want to make it a big election issue and expect that people think they are sincere about it. I know there's a sucker born every minute but I'm ordinarily not one of them. I don't want to hear one peep from the GOP candidates on this issue--they have zero credibility on it for far too long and even as we speak given nothing is still done about it--zero. The Dems? They don't want to annoy the Hispanic voters of whom the majority vote Democrat.
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Right. Ignoring that many "hispanic voters" that are here LEGALLY want illegal immigration stopped TOO.
Neither "party" will do anything about this.
Neither "party" is/can be sincere about anything.
What we have now is a "do nothing" govt. They talk and talk and talk and do diddly squat.
talk, talk, talk
do diddly squat
talk, talk, talk
do diddly squat
talk, talk, talk
do diddly squat
Here's a new chant for people to march at polital protests and "rallys" with :-)
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Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere
It's also not out of stupidity. It's because of one ancient reason: $$$$$$$$$$$$$. Those who want a large disenfranchised working class have the money and the clout to get and keep their serfs, namely the illegals. The Average Joe does not have the money or clout, so they get the shaft--and the bills caused by the well heeled and well connected who want these serfs who like getting the big payoff whilst Joe Average gets the bills. However, I wish enough voters would not be stupid to avoid missing the boat--pardon the pun--on what the real issues are and how to fix them and stop falling hook, line and sinker for all the misdirections and non sequiturs of politicians who want to give them the shaft.
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First you say:
It's also not out of stupidity.
Then you say:
However, I wish enough voters would not be stupid...
So, you're saying the politicains are greedy and the voters are stupid.
If you break down greed, IT'S actually stupid TOO.
It's stupidity all around.
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That is why this whole measure is a red herring, and it's a sleazy attempt of misdirection of anger to get rightly angered Average Joes misdirected on the real issues and get them willing to do the wrong thing to fellow native born citizens who never jumped a fence or overstayed a visa, whilst letting those who actually wanted the massive number of illegals and want it to continue whilst posing and pretending otherwise--namely those in DC--off the hook.
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Yes, that's what our politicains do today. Talk, misdirect, fool the masses.
talk, talk, talk
do diddly squat
talk, talk, talk
do diddly squat
talk, talk, talk
do diddly squat..........
Ideas if this will ever change ?
What will it take to CHANGE ?
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