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CowboyTed · #46 (**permalink**) 01-21-2008

I am Irish and White.. Do I have to feel Guilty too...

I would object unless 'Guilty' is the name of a stunning blond girl who seems to be quite easy...

Mudwhistle you go boy, the whole world is a liberal agenda, there hiding everywhere... They caused all the evil in the world today.. You keep believing..

timj219 · #47 (**permalink**) 01-21-2008

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Originally Posted by CowboyTed

I am Irish and White.. Do I have to feel Guilty too...

I would object unless 'Guilty' is the name of a stunning blond girl who seems to be quite easy...

Mudwhistle you go boy, the whole world is a liberal agenda, there hiding everywhere... They caused all the evil in the world today.. You keep believing..

Isn't it funny that the only peopl ewho ever talk about feeling white guilt are right wing idealogues? I've never met a liberal who has ever expressed concern about such nonsense but it's all you ever hear from wingnuts.

SMadsen · #48 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips

There still exist those of us that clearly see the difference between reality and fantasy.

MLK day isn't such a bad day to recognize (not celebrate, RECOGNIZE. There's a difference.). Until you get some twisty minded idiot speaking out about it. Ignore the bird brained idealists with their heads in the clouds.

Even MLK would shake his head and be disgusted by their stupidity.

If I were Mudwhistle I would report you for this post.

mudwhistle · #49 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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Originally Posted by Si modo

Mud, I think you are trying to say something, but not many here are getting it. I'm not insulting, just stating a fact. I usually like to quote the movie Cool Hand Luke at this point: "What we have here is a failure to communicate."

I usually have no problem communicating with someone who wants an honest understanding of what I'm trying to say. I'm sure that includes you.

Sometimes you have to be blunt, but this is a subject that being blunt can get you in trouble. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.

MLK is just a stick meant to brow-beat White America with and the people it effects the most have the most to lose from dredging up his memory. Enough has been said about the subject and we need to move on rather then bring up old transgressions from our Grandfather's past.

MLK was a great speaker. He moved people. His death was terrible, but it is nobody's fault that I know of. We have to move on if we are going to make any progress, yet this constant reminder only sets us back again and again.

timj219 · #50 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

I usually have no problem communicating with someone who wants an honest understanding of what I'm trying to say. I'm sure that includes you.

Sometimes you have to be blunt, but this is a subject that being blunt can get you in trouble. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.

MLK is just a stick meant to brow-beat White America with and the people it effects the most have the most to lose from dredging up his memory. Enough has been said about the subject and we need to move on rather then bring up old transgressions from our Grandfather's past.

MLK was a great speaker. He moved people. His death was terrible, but it is nobody's fault that I know of. We have to move on if we are going to make any progress, yet this constant reminder only sets us back again and again.

So when we celebrate lincoln's birthday do you feel guilty because a white man assassinated him? Or is it only when we celebrate a black person that you are brow beaten? As for being blunt I hear you. I got a little too blunt myself the other day and it got me in trouble here. But I was being blunt about a white conservative.

One last thing. It is theoretically possible for someone to disagree with you and to insist on specific allegations with supporting information and for that person to simutaneously desire "an honest understanding".

Otter · #51 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

These holidays aren't meant to celebrate anything. They are government sponsored hate-fests against Republicans.

It's not that we need to be reminded of this crap every year several times a year. We know what happened. Better to leave it in the past rather then digging it up and re-opening old wounds. Nothing good can come from it.

Huh. If it's supposed to be about hating republicans, than I guess we didn't get that memo. Last night I went and listened to Maya Angelou give teh keynote adress, and it was remarably free of hate or guilt-inducing comments. I bet even the republicans in the crowd were inspired. This is a bad thing, how, exactly?

mudwhistle · #52 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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Originally Posted by Otter

Huh. If it's supposed to be about hating republicans, than I guess we didn't get that memo. Last night I went and listened to Maya Angelou give teh keynote adress, and it was remarably free of hate or guilt-inducing comments. I bet even the republicans in the crowd were inspired. This is a bad thing, how, exactly?

MLK Day, Black History Month. Not everyone uses it to go after whitey but enough do. You may have gone to some event that was an exception, not the rule.

But what makes you feel that Republicans don't want to hear comments that are uplifting and free of hate or guilt. We hear enough of the opposite from Democrats. Most Republicans love hearing about hope and promise and love for your fellow man. We can't get enough of it. We like to hear about how we can all work together and accomplish great things because of the great country we live in. Then Libs call us stupid idiots for thinking that way.

Otter · #53 (**permalink**) 01-22-2008

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

MLK Day, Black History Month. Not everyone uses it to go after whitey but enough do. You may have gone to some event that was an exception, not the rule.

But what makes you feel that Republicans don't want to hear comments that are uplifting and free of hate or guilt. We hear enough of the opposite from Democrats. Most Republicans love hearing about hope and promise and love for your fellow man. We can't get enough of it. We like to hear about how we can all work together and accomplish great things because of the great country we live in. Then Libs call us stupid idiots for thinking that way.

I didn't say republicans don't want ot hear uplifting messages, all I said was that for something you thought is a 'hate fest against republicans', there was a remarkable absence of hate. It was a good thing, and an occasion to have a speaker who knew Dr. King personally, and could talk about history from an eloquent and personal perspective.
It's our history, it's valuable. And it's important to understand it. Maybe *especially* if it causes discomfort.

Steerpike · #54 (**permalink**) 01-23-2008

Whatever the intent of those who instituted a day of rememberance for slain American civil rights leader, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., it's purpose is determined subjectively by those who choose to acknowledge it or not. Therefore, Martin Luther King, Jr. Day is what one makes of it.

mudwhistle · #55 (**permalink**) 01-25-2008

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Al Sharpton Emerges from Burrow, Declares One More Year of White Guilt
It's become a tradition. On the 22nd day of every January, the Reverends Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson crawl out from their respective burrows. If they don't see their shadows, it means that Dr. King's Dream is yet unrealized, and White America must spend another year flagellating itself for the sins of slavery. If, on the other hand, their shadows do appear, then Dr. King's Dream has at last been realized, and both of these well-respected Black leaders will fade into obscurity.

Sadly, Al Sharpton's elusive shadow was a no-show again this year. Dr. King's Dream, it seems, is still unrealized.

"There are many who have said we are beyond race," Sharpton explained to the disappointed crowd. "But what happened in Jena reminded this country you still have not dealt with the problems of racism."

Sharpton was, of course, referring to the infamous "Jena Six" incident in which six African-American students ambushed and beat a White teen unconscious, then continued to kick and stomp him until they were arrested like common criminals. To the astonishment of everyone, the Black students all faced counts of second-degree attempted murder, while the White boy was never charged - neither for the rape of Tawana Brawley nor for the aforementioned sins of slavery - sins which he has yet to atone for by sending Al Sharpton a check.

So yes, even though Hillary is poised to become our first Black Female President, I'm afraid that we have yet to realize Dr. King's dream of an America where gangs of Black teenagers can brutally assault White kids without any legal repercussions. Until we do, please continue to make your checks payable to the National Action Network or the Rainbow/Push Coalition.

BlameBush!

Racism is too lucrative for Black Leaders these days for them to do anything about changing it.

timj219 · #56 (**permalink**) 01-26-2008

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One More Year of White Guilt
White America must spend another year flagellating itself

Being generally libertarian as far as what people do I consider it none of my business if you want to spend all your time in self flagellation. But I would be remiss if I didn't mention the possible risk of damage to the neck muscles. So if you are really looking to reduce your guilt feelings maybe you should find some friends - Frank and Brett seem like helpful fellas - and you could flagellate each other.

Now I know the narrow minded bigots among us will condemn this kind of behavior on your part but as far as I'm concerned anything that helps you get past these feelings of white guilt is a good thing whether it's condemned in the bible or not. So flagellate to your hearts content. And if you get real good at it maybe I'll give you a call when I'm in need of a little flagellation myself!

pramjockey · #57 (**permalink**) 01-27-2008

Flagellation is to beat with a whip-type object.

Perhaps you're thinking of fellation?

mudwhistle · #58 (**permalink**) 01-27-2008

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Originally Posted by Otter

I didn't say republicans don't want ot hear uplifting messages, all I said was that for something you thought is a 'hate fest against republicans', there was a remarkable absence of hate. It was a good thing, and an occasion to have a speaker who knew Dr. King personally, and could talk about history from an eloquent and personal perspective.
It's our history, it's valuable. And it's important to understand it. Maybe *especially* if it causes discomfort.

When blacks get behind closed doors and begin talking amongst themselves they have a different language. As long as outsiders are around they watch what they say. But when they get among fellow blacks where nobody can see nor hear them the racist statements come out in earnest.

pramjockey · #59 (**permalink**) 01-27-2008

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Originally Posted by mudwhistle

When blacks get behind closed doors and begin talking amongst themselves they have a different language. As long as outsiders are around they watch what they say. But when they get among fellow blacks where nobody can see nor hear them the racist statements come out in earnest.

Maybe the words are muffled because of the white sheet you have over your head?

AkDiesel · #60 (**permalink**) 01-27-2008

Would King be happy about the day for him?

Would King be happy about what we as a country have done about his dream?

Questiions that should be asked but saddly go un-asked.

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