Good for you Hank, just think, next year when you turn 16 you can get your lerners permit and if your a real good boy mommy might just get you a mustang

Remembering Our Dead

Here's a treat for you, Hank, it's the website where we transsexuals remember our dead, the one's murdered by good Bible-beater like yourself, my thought is that you can nip over to this site anytime you're feeling down and make yourself feel better by reading down the list of people your kind have murdered. You'll be able to dance around and feel good about yourself for a few more minutes. Won't that be fun? Woo Hoo!

If you do just a tiny bit of research you can dredge up some nice juicy facts to stimulate your sex life too, I bet. When Gwen Arujo was beaten up by 3 manly men, they used cans of food and kitchen utensils to bash her, then these courageous followers of Jesus dragged this bleeding and crying girl out to the garage where one of them tied a rope around her neck and strangled her while his staunch Bible-beater supporters pounded her on the head with shovels. After she was beaten to death they threw her body into a rig and drove a hundred miles to a National Park to bury her in a shallow grave. Slaughtering queers! I bet you've got a hard-on just reading this, don't you? It gets better, their lawyers claimed "reasonable provocation" as the justification for this fine example of Jesus' love. Your friend and mentor Rev. Fred Phelps protested for the release of these young men saying that they were just doing God's work--which is true if you don't know anything about the Bible, which neither you nor Fred do, as near as I can tell.

Next time you can't get it up let me know and I'll tell you about the two t-girls who were shot on the street in Washington D. C., shot once each as they sat at a stoplight and then the man who shot them pulled his Honda to the curb and went back to their car and shot each one 9 more times, pausing once to reload his pistol. You suppose the NRA gave him a medal?

Or how about Tyra Hunter who was hit by a bus and nearly drowned in her own blood while the paramedics refused to treat her as she lay in the street. In front of 100 witnesses the paramedics told jokes about transsexuals and made fun of Tyra as she tried to crawl to side of the street. Just think, Hank, if you'd been there you could have demonstrated your Christian compassion by kicking her to death so she wouldn't have to suffer for so long. Console yourself with the fact that she did die a few hours later after being neglected at the hospital. Woo Hoo!

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Pfffft.

Mare, we all are aware of your distain for the outspoken Christians (I have some of it as well), but not all outspoken Christians are charlatans. And I have no doubt that Hank would feel compassion for anyone getting the living daylights beaten out of them no matter how much he disagrees with their personal values. (Well, maybe not terrorists, but I won't speak for Hank on that one).

I know it's easy to generalize persons with whom you have had distasteful and disgusting experiences more often than not...I have had the same with Christians who have the need to do such self-advertizing about their being Christians (makes one wonder why they need to convince another of that, huh?), but not all are that way. Certainly most outspoken and self-advertizing Christians with whom I've had contact are quacks as Christians, but not all. It seems as if the bad ones forget, "Judge not that ye be judged" Matthew 7:1. More of those "bible beaters" should review Matthew on a weekly basis, IMO. There are more good Chrisians out there than bad ones, though, IMO. They are just harder to identify because they have no need to advertize it so much, IMO.

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My only comment is this:

What sort of person "celibrates" bigotry and homophobia?

Oh yeah. The same kind of person that believes there is a magic superbeing in the clouds that thinks it's proper for it's followers to stick there noses into the private lives of everyone else.

BTW Hank, you just gave me another great reason not trade in the awsome F150 I bought during your "boycott." Thanks Mr Good Christian.

I could be wrong, but I think his celebration is about the success of a boycott. The reasons for that boycott depends on personal values.

Personally, I like the idea of boycotts and practice them quite often for a variety of reasons, whether a talking head or organization calls for one or not.

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You're equating a boycott with murder?

Could that be any more pathetic?

I haven't seen Hank calling for the murders of transsexuals, have you? I haven't seen Hank expressing his pleasure when someone is beaten to death because of their sexuality, have you?

To suggest that the opposite is true, or that he would do it, is to be intellectually dishonest. You owe Hank an apology but, since intellectual dishonesty appears to be all you're capable of, that probably won't be forthcoming.

I think the boycott was silly. I think think anyone who supported the boycott is silly. I think those who believe they "won" anything are silly.

But it's a boycott, not murder.

Oh, and could you provide the link that states that the killers of Gwen Arujo were Christians?

Damn. I guess I won't be getting that Shelby after all.

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Correct, you could be wrong. Considering that I, and I'm confident that many others didn't have any knowledge that there was a homophobic "boycott" happening, it's "success" is a very relative term. Given Hank's history of homophobic rants on this forum, I'm more inclined to use Occam's Razor,ie: : a scientific and philosophic rule that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily which is interpreted as requiring that the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex or that explanations of unknown phenomena be sought first in terms of known quantities to judge his agenda for his consistant use of hatred and prejudice in his rants. You are certainly welcome to view his motives any way you please.

Thank you, Captain Obvious. I find Hank's "personal values" of bigotry, hate, prejudice, intrusion into other people's private lives, homophobia, and want of a theocracy in my Nation to be despicable. You can call that some of my "personal values." Once again, you are certainly welcome to side with the bigots and homophobes, I would never deny someone the opportunity to show their "personal values" in a public venue.


Well, good for you, I couldn't agree with you more. However, like it or not, when the motives for such as those people like "Hank" and his ilk are clearly those like every bigot that did their utmost to denigrate their fellow human beings because they are mentally unstable, don't be surprised when the pushback happens.

Some of us find the supposed "personal values" and "morality" of these holier-than-thou's, to be little more than a smokescreen for their want to impose their will on everyone else. Considering the history of "christianity" and the human suffering it has caused, I'll pass on letting these control freaks have any say in my life or opinions.

Diiiis-missed.

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About what I expected. Sucks to come up exposed and empty, doesn't it? Have a nice day.

I generally try to use the term "Bible-beaters" for the self-identified Christians who use the Bible as a weapon. Giving me flack for not being able to personally identify all of them amongst the myriad sects is nonsense. I look at the laws that are passed, the discriminatory behavior, and the murders and I DON'T hear all the moderate Christians trying to rein in the crazies. Until the great wad of Christians steps up and demands that the hatred come to an end it never will.

I have posted numerous times that there are good Christians, I know some of them, but 2/3 of the States didn't get legal discrimination put into their constitutions by just a few crazies--gay and trans hate is extraordinarily widespread in this country.

You tell me: How do I campaign vigorously against the great mass of apathetic and poorly educated religious bigots in this country without talking about Christianity?

As far as Hank is concerned, in all the posts I have see by him he has never espoused any of the gentle teachings of Jesus nor has he ever shown even a shred of compassion or understanding towards gay and transpeople.

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There are boycotts and there are boycotts. Some boycotts encourage good social behavior, others support religious bigotry with the intent of hurting others.

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It isn't so much that the bigots call for murder, they don't have to because it's already there in black and white in their holy book. All they have to do is raise children as ignorant as they and inculcate them with hate. If you are not gay or trans you cannot have had the experience of feelilng this pervasive antagonism that so often flairs up into violence. TRAINED IN THE WAYS OF MEN is a reasonable documentary of the killing of Gwen, the arguments of the lawyers are interesting. Christians always hide behind the argument that "oh, no, those weren't REAL Christians", but it's nonsense because as long as the Bible still demands our deaths then it will be used as justification for killing us. And guess what? The REAL Christians aren't protesting in the streets or from the pulpits to stem the tide of hatred either--that makes them culpable.

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Look, I think that there is a big misunderstanding about Christianity amongst people. No, we should not judge that someone will either be condemned or go to heaven, that is left to the Lord. Some judgment in life is necessary, however. As I understand it, Jesus was not at all telling us not to ever judge situations period. Rather He was telling us to be careful when we look at other people because we often misjudge them or are very harsh towards them. As I said, some judgment is necessary. You wouldn't accept a ride home from work from a known serial killer would you?

If people think that Jesus was saying that we shouldn't stand up for what we believe is right then they are mistaken. We are to stand up. Jesus, Himself, did so, even when it wasn't popular for Him to be doing so. (That's one of the reasons that He is our perfect Example) The trick is that we are to oppose the sin while still loving the sinner. There are those who hate both sin and sinner and they are in the wrong. However, I am not inclined to believe that they are the majority.

In this particular case, I do take the stance that homosexual actions are wrong. I have never, however, advocated any physical violence or any kind of abuse towards anybody, even if they do engage in homosexual behaviors. I think that that is what is right in this particular case. There may be some who would try to harm others but they do NOT have my support, regardless of whether we may agree that homosexual actions are wrong. If I were to see someone try to harm or abuse another human being, regardless of their sexual actions, I would try to help the person being attacked by calling the police, trying to stop the attacker or something.

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That isn't the issue here, I know that the organisers of gay Pride don't represent all gays. THe issue here is that ford cravenly gave into a homophobic boycott and withdrew there sponsorship/support for a well meaning organisation due to pressure from a bunch of prejudiced nutters. The question isn't 'is gay pride good' or even 'is gay pride just done by a few nutters who travel to each one' (unlikley IMO) the thing is that Ford gave into prejudice due to a boycott.

And that, in my view, is worthy of reproch from me.

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