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Americano · #46 (**permalink**) 03-14-2008

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Originally Posted by WharfedaleTiger

That isn't the issue here, I know that the organisers of gay Pride don't represent all gays. THe issue here is that ford cravenly gave into a homophobic boycott and withdrew there sponsorship/support for a well meaning organisation due to pressure from a bunch of prejudiced nutters. The question isn't 'is gay pride good' or even 'is gay pride just done by a few nutters who travel to each one' (unlikley IMO) the thing is that Ford gave into prejudice due to a boycott.

And that, in my view, is worthy of reproch from me.

Provides confirmation of how desperate Ford is for vehicle sales and positive publicity; too bad it had to be cowardly caving in to fairy tale belief system prejudice.

Captain Trips · #47 (**permalink**) 03-14-2008

Nice that dorf. . I mean ford wised up.

What on earth would motivate a BUSINESS to be in support of such perverse notions ?

They're trying to SELL right ?

Trying to sell PRODUCTS or IDEAS ?

Seems that dorf decided it was PRODUCTS.

hermanboo · #48 (**permalink**) 03-14-2008

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips

Nice that dorf. . I mean ford wised up.

What on earth would motivate a BUSINESS to be in support of such perverse notions ?

They're trying to SELL right ?

Trying to sell PRODUCTS or IDEAS ?

Seems that dorf decided it was PRODUCTS.

They were trying to market their product to a focus group that generally is regarded as having higher disposable incomes than the population at large. Seems like all they were doing was using the free market system many of us know and love.

I'm a little confused why I should give a damn that Ford wants to sell their cars to gay folk.

Americano · #49 (**permalink**) 03-14-2008

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips

Nice that dorf. . I mean ford wised up.

What on earth would motivate a BUSINESS to be in support of such perverse notions ?

They're trying to SELL right ?

Trying to sell PRODUCTS or IDEAS ?

Seems that dorf decided it was PRODUCTS.

Seems simple to me, Ford was trying to develop sales in all market niches and eventually decided the bible people market offered more potential sales than gays. Since bible people are prone to pledge loyalty to American products, shoddy as they might be, and gay vehicle preferences are somewhat of an unknown factor, Ford caved to prejudice and more potential sales.

WharfedaleTiger · #50 (**permalink**) 03-14-2008

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Originally Posted by Americano

Seems simple to me, Ford was trying to develop sales in all market niches and eventually decided the bible people market offered more potential sales than gays. Since bible people are prone to pledge loyalty to American products, shoddy as they might be, and gay vehicle preferences are somewhat of an unknown factor, Ford caved to prejudice and more potential sales.

I'd imagine that gay veichal habits would involve lots of leather...

Anyways, that was my summary, but it seems to me to be a pretty shoddy reason IMO.

Americano · #51 (**permalink**) 03-14-2008

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Originally Posted by WharfedaleTiger

I'd imagine that gay veichal habits would involve lots of leather...

Compared to the bible people I know the gays I know have far superior tastes in personal acquisitions, but then someone will say I'm stereotyping.

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Anyways, that was my summary, but it seems to me to be a pretty shoddy reason IMO.

Agreed, but Ford has its back to the wall and money most often overrides all other considerations.

Eagle88 · #52 (**permalink**) 03-14-2008

You know, I have to say that part of me really dislikes how the issue in question is often defined as having one side that is a "crazy, fairy tales believing group of hateful bigots" when the truth is far from that definition. I mean this comment as no disrespect towards anyone. I would just like to have the false stereotyping curbed please.

Americano · #53 (**permalink**) 03-14-2008

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Originally Posted by Eagle88

You know, I have to say that part of me really dislikes how the issue in question is often defined as having one side that is a "crazy, fairy tales believing group of hateful bigots" when the truth is far from that definition. I mean this comment as no disrespect towards anyone. I would just like to have the false stereotyping curbed please.

How would you suggest defining a group of people who dedicate their lives to a belief system based only on faith which includes hatred of homosexuals as dictated by their unfounded bible oracle? The good guys?

Eagle88 · #54 (**permalink**) 03-14-2008

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Originally Posted by Americano

How would you suggest defining a group of people who dedicate their lives to a belief system based only on faith which includes hatred of homosexuals as dictated by their unfounded bible oracle? The good guys?

That's a loaded question. I realize that you may have a very strong opinion in this matter but, no offense, your comments about those who disagree with you seem to amount to nothing more than ad hominem.

Americano · #55 (**permalink**) 03-14-2008

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Originally Posted by Eagle88

That's a loaded question. I realize that you may have a very strong opinion in this matter but, no offense, your comments about those who disagree with you seem to amount to nothing more than ad hominem.

I'm for equality regardless of sexual orientation, skin color or language spoken, not exactly an opinion, but a belief. And you?

Captain Trips · #56 (**permalink**) 03-14-2008

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Originally Posted by Americano

Seems simple to me, Ford was trying to develop sales in all market niches and eventually decided the bible people market offered more potential sales than gays.

Nonsense.

"Gays" ?

"The bible people" ?

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Originally Posted by Americano

Since bible people are prone to pledge loyalty to American products, shoddy as they might be, and gay vehicle preferences are somewhat of an unknown factor, Ford caved to prejudice and more potential sales.

Yes, the same tired bullshit about "prejudice"

Captain Trips · #57 (**permalink**) 03-14-2008

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Originally Posted by Eagle88

That's a loaded question. I realize that you may have a very strong opinion in this matter but, no offense, your comments about those who disagree with you seem to amount to nothing more than ad hominem.

He seldom offers much ELSE.

Maybe a baseless accusation of "prejudism" or some other such nonsense.

WharfedaleTiger · #58 (**permalink**) 03-14-2008

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips

Nonsense.

"Gays" ?

"The bible people" ?

The gay market and the Christian market are both clear ones that ford could well go over-around 5% of people are gay (though only 2% admit it) and Christians make a large perpotion of the US-both markets to target IMO.

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Yes, the same tired bullshit about "prejudice"

I'm sorry, what else is this? its people who have boycotted a company because it dared support a minority group. that sounds like prejudice to me.

Americano · #59 (**permalink**) 03-14-2008

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Originally Posted by Captain Trips

Nonsense.

"Gays" ?

"The bible people" ?

Yes, the same tired bullshit about "prejudice"

If not prejudice against gays what would you call the petition?

Porras · #60 (**permalink**) 03-15-2008

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Originally Posted by MareTranquility

There are boycotts and there are boycotts. Some boycotts encourage good social behavior, others support religious bigotry with the intent of hurting others.

I'd say this one did both. They were trying to stop those god awful parades.

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