Originally Posted by Eagle88

If people think that Jesus was saying that we shouldn't stand up for what we believe is right then they are mistaken. We are to stand up. Jesus, Himself, did so, even when it wasn't popular for Him to be doing so. (That's one of the reasons that He is our perfect Example) The trick is that we are to oppose the sin while still loving the sinner. There are those who hate both sin and sinner and they are in the wrong. However, I am not inclined to believe that they are the majority.

In this particular case, I do take the stance that homosexual actions are wrong. I have never, however, advocated any physical violence or any kind of abuse towards anybody, even if they do engage in homosexual behaviors. I think that that is what is right in this particular case. There may be some who would try to harm others but they do NOT have my support, regardless of whether we may agree that homosexual actions are wrong. If I were to see someone try to harm or abuse another human being, regardless of their sexual actions, I would try to help the person being attacked by calling the police, trying to stop the attacker or something.

Originally Posted by Eagle88

You know, I have to say that part of me really dislikes how the issue in question is often defined as having one side that is a "crazy, fairy tales believing group of hateful bigots" when the truth is far from that definition. I mean this comment as no disrespect towards anyone. I would just like to have the false stereotyping curbed please.

Originally Posted by wrxsti

Like many True Americans(tm), I do not have a problem with homos per se. As long as they remain invisible and in the closet, and accept thier status as "lesser than I", we can co-exist. It is when they push thier agenda, trying to teach our kids that it somehow a normal form of behavior that should be accepted that decent folks will try to fight back.

We need to return to the 50's, when no-one heard of gays other that a circus side-show freak or a case study in some obscure medical journal.

Originally Posted by Captain Trips

He seldom offers much ELSE.

Maybe a baseless accusation of "prejudism" or some other such nonsense.

Originally Posted by MareTranquility

It isn't so much that the bigots call for murder, they don't have to because it's already there in black and white in their holy book. All they have to do is raise children as ignorant as they and inculcate them with hate. If you are not gay or trans you cannot have had the experience of feelilng this pervasive antagonism that so often flairs up into violence. TRAINED IN THE WAYS OF MEN is a reasonable documentary of the killing of Gwen, the arguments of the lawyers are interesting. Christians always hide behind the argument that "oh, no, those weren't REAL Christians", but it's nonsense because as long as the Bible still demands our deaths then it will be used as justification for killing us. And guess what? The REAL Christians aren't protesting in the streets or from the pulpits to stem the tide of hatred either--that makes them culpable.

Originally Posted by MareTranquility

This from the man who admits that he believes that heterosexuals NEED to have special rights or they won't continue to procreate. I'm guessing that your self-serving admission has destroyed the tiny shred of credibility that you might once have had, in much the same way that George Bush has finally and forever laid to rest the myth of white superiority.

Originally Posted by Steve

I'll ask again for a link that says that her killers were Christians. All you've done is name some movie I've never heard of, and which I have little interest in seeing.

Suggesting that, unless every "real Christian" speaks out against it, they're culpable, is just fucking stupid. It's nothing more than a weak attempt at a pathetic swipe towards people you don't like. If I were a Christian, I'd not be able to speak out about it, simply because I never heard of the case.

To you, though, that would make me culpable for the killing.

Am I now, as a non-Christian, culpable in the killing? After all, if Christians who don't know about it can be culpable, shouldn't I be? Shouldn't everyonewho's never even heard of the incident? Or is it only Christians, since you don't like them?

Effectively, that's the point you're making.

And it's fucking stupid...

Originally Posted by Steve

If I were a Christian, I'd not be able to speak out about it, simply because I never heard of the case.

Originally Posted by Steve

I honestly don't believe you could be more insignificant.

Another panty-waist swipe at Bush, in a thread that doesn't concern Bush.

You people are fucking pathetic...

Originally Posted by wrxsti

Like many True Americans(tm), I do not have a problem with homos per se. As long as they remain invisible and in the closet, and accept thier status as "lesser than I", we can co-exist. It is when they push thier agenda, trying to teach our kids that it somehow a normal form of behavior that should be accepted that decent folks will try to fight back.

We need to return to the 50's, when no-one heard of gays other that a circus side-show freak or a case study in some obscure medical journal.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Yes, much better that we suppress the right of the People to peaceably assemble than you find something else to do than watch a parade you don't like.

Excellent example of how to best support the ideals behind this great nation!

Originally Posted by Hank

Not the same thing.
Regardless of the titles given people by normophobes, we really are offended by the pornographic content, the silliness of men in high heels and the ramming of tongues down one dirty mans mouth into another.
The calling those who are horrified by this bigot is not fitting or appropriate. Some of us cannot watch two men making out without vomiting, it has nothing to do with tolerance or hate. We don’t believe them a race, we believe it to be a sexual fetish encouraged into a living fantasy and titled a life style by those who organized and empowered themselves by it.