There are a few things in this here thread that have to be addressed.

Congratulations on being the first to drop that ridiculous, contrived dime-store "H-word". I can't believe it took over 20 posts before somebody lazily threw that out there.

I outright reject the term "homophobia". It is as manufactured as Kwanza. It wrongly defines my disgust and disdain of the faggot lifestyle as being a "fear". Let's get this straight (no pun intended): there is no fear. None. It is perfectly reasonable for normal human beings to object to other mentally ill human beings packing fudge. Further, it is incumbent upon normal human beings to do what they can to ensure that the faggot agenda does not succeed in making homosexuality acceptable in any way.

That is where the boycott comes into play. Advertising and catering to faggots lends legitimacy to their "lifestyle" (*cough* mental illness *cough*). Stop doing that. Oh, they did. Excellent.

I don't want faggots to feel normal or welcome because they are not. They trotted this shit out into the public sphere of discussion instead of keeping it in the proverbial closet. Reap the whirlwind, baby. Anything that can be done legally to put the shit back into the donkey is okay in my estimation.

There are only two types of channels I deprogrammed from my television: The Spanish bullshit and the faggot channels. Were it only so easy to do in other areas of life.

Just as I suspected...I knew they were leftist cars, but Volvos are faggot cars? (Redundant?) Interesting! How funny is it that they had to retain a Volvo homosexual advertising budget. I can just picture the negotiation in the meeting..."Uh, sir, the Volvo thing is a deal breaker. They are only .05% of the population, but represent 80% of our Volvo owners." Sure, they like to "Drive Safely" unless they're cornholing a meatbag full of H.I.V.

The A.F.A. is an excellent organization. Even if you completely disagree with them, you should get on their e-mailing list. They are quite diligent about letting you know what they're up to and what's got them upset.

I don't always agree with them. They were a primary force behind the thwarting of the most recent attempt to establish a ".XXX" domain standard (as opposed to ".COM", ".NET", etc...). They made all of the usual arguments, but I thought their goals (and my goals as a parent) would be better served by the movement of pr0n sites to an .XXX area - far easier to block and/or monitor when it's all ending in .XXX.

Meh.

As far as actual boycotts, whatever. When they work it is cool. I used to hate Bill O'Reilly talking about them, though, as if his legions of viewers were a "boycott on tap". You'd think he brought France to its knees all by himself, to hear it from him.

They can be fairly silly, though...like Chavez gives a flying fart whether you go to Chevron or not. His wares will sell for a high price regardless.

Ambivalent about boycotts. As Matthew Shepard, I am on the fence.

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

Sounds to me like thats exactly what it is. A fear. A fear of someone daring to express that they are actually diffrent to people like you. A fear of that diffrence. You dislike and fear what they do, what they feel and so you feel a need to persicute. Its happened all through history-to blacks, to jews, to catholics. People make up shite about people whom they don't agree with and who they are scared of and then try to pass it off as the truth and persicute-as you advocate later in this post.

Who are you to say whats mentally ill or not? Who are you to say that 5% of people can't feel the way they do, just becuase you don't agree with them, that they are 'mentally ill'. Wheres your evidence? Is Elton John mentally ill? Allen Perrin?

homosexuality is a naturally occuring trend in people, and it occurs in animals as well. its genetic. Homosexuals arn't mentally ill, they just feel diffrents. Stop being a bloody bigot and face up to your fears.

If only it wehre that easy to put the blinkers on. The fact is homosexuality is here. It exists. I'm sure you wish it didn't but it does, people naturally feel attracted to people of the same sex, its been going on throughout history since the Greeks (At least, though theres a lot of evidence that earlier cultures had open homosexuals as well). Deprogramn the channels is you will, it won't change anything, and gradually bigots like yourselves are going to find yourselves driven back by the fact that, gasp, a lot of people are gay. Lawful discimination won't help, all it'll do will drive homosexuality underground and that hasn't worked in the past has it? Nope.


Ah, two mistakes here, first all gays don't have HIV, (rates where higher at first but are starting to level out as gays cotton onto the fact they need protection when having anal sex just as much as straights need it when they're doing virginal sex) and second around 5% of the population is naturally gay and another 5% are naturally bi, making up around 10% of the population. A lot don't come out of course, scared a bigots like yourselves, but those are the numbers. That about 30 million Americans, not an insubstancial number.

anyway, keep fearing coz there isn't anything you can do about it.

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Wow. Before this boycott I'v never heard of I wasn't goint to buy a "Fucked Over&Refurbished Dodge" car. Now, I won't be buying a F.O.R.D. in the near future. Hooray boycott I've never heard of. Good job.

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Do not equate the faggots - who choose to be deviant and/or are mentally ill - with those other groups and the challenges they faced.

I am different than most people, and I fear none of them. You like to say "fear" because it implies there is something wrong with me. The truth is, there is something definitely wrong with ramming the browneye.

Nope. Not fear. Revulsion. Disgust. Hell, you can even call it "hate" if that makes you feel better - far more accurate than "fear". And any hatred that exists is due to the resentment I am entitled to feel due to the fact that the faggots keep shoving their mental illness into the public spectrum.

And who are faggots to up and declare that their unnatural acts are "natural" or anywhere near "normal"? The TV could start telling me tomorrow that, say, alcoholism was "normal" and, hell, even "hip" - and dumb motherfuckers could start to believe it over time. Not me.

They are mentally ill because they are, um, mentally ill. Whether or not I agree with what they are doing is not a component of that. The faggots used political pressure to get homosexuality declassified as a mental illness throughout the 70's, 80's and 1990's. And they did this with no study cited to change the classification. It was one hundred percent bullshit political pressure that got the classifications changed. I'm not hearkening back to the days of leaches and bloodletting - I'm going back to, um, 1992.

Faggotry is more of a symptom of mental disease than a cause - it is most commonly rooted in mental illness caused by childhood abuse and/or abandonment.

So, yes, the people you mentioned are either actually ill or pretending to be to be "cool".

Thank you, oh disciple of MTV. It is naturally occurring insofar as mental disease is natural. But it is not normal and should be treated with drugs and/or therapy.

I don't care if boy dolphins fuck other boy dolphins. Real good idea you have there...modeling human behavior after the animal kingdom. I guess my neighbor won't mind if I chase down and beat the tar out of him and bang his wife before his eyes, then. "But officer, it's natural behavior...I saw it on Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom!" Good luck with that.

I could just have some fun with that...ok I will...here's your paragraph, slightly modified:

Interesting and fun!

Since you insist upon using the lie that it is "natural" as a crutch for your arguments, they are all invalid, as far as I am concerned. It is not natural or normal behavior. And you will never convince me of otherwise. I am sad that you fell victim to the media campaign and allow your thoughts to be molded by a music video channel.

It is still a faggot disease that is associated with other risk factors. Period. Sure, they've scared the crap out of normal people, but they really have very little to fear. If you disagree, go buttscrew a homosexual Haitian I.V. drug user bareback. Again, good luck with that.

Pufferfish. Step one on any bullshit agenda is to inflate your numbers. Sure, convince the ignorant that 1 in 10 of the people they knew are pillow-biters. Proceed from there. POINT ZERO FIVE PERCENT - and I was being generous.

No fear here other than for your ability to independently think.

There is plenty to do; plenty to see.

Step one is to stop lying to the faggots and telling them their behavior is acceptable.

Boycotts like this succeeding makes me smile.

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

Agaion, you accuse them of being mentally ill, in full abstance of any proof.
Yep, I'd probably call it hate as that seems to be your sorta thing. But then again, don't we hate what we fear and don't understand?

Yes, but I doubt that the British Medical Association would, nor the British Association of Psychatrists. yet both do not agree that Homosexuality is a mental illness, I'm sure they have better knowlage than we two. Indeed, it was in 1897 that Ellis first came to his conclusion(in his book: Sexual Inversion) that it wasn't a mental illness and this has been backed up by verious psychologists over time.
Nope, but as I say it hasn't been accepted as a mental illness by actual psycholoists for quite a while beofre that-it was political pressure that kept it down as a mental illness. Besides it was declassified over here in 1967, 1933 in Denmark, when people realsied the truth
Right, evidence? I can't think of any of the more famous gays that had either of those eg. Peter Mandleson, Chris Smith, Nick brown ect. ect. Take it. They are gay and thats how they where born. they don't choose to be like that anymore than we choose to be straight.

To quote the American Academy of Pediatrics "Sexual orientation probably is not determined by any one factor but by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences."

and also: "no specific psychosocial or family dynamic cause for homosexuality has been identified, including histories of childhood sexual abuse." (american Psyciatric Association.)

To give you an idea, heres some other historical figures who are known to have partaken in homosexuality: Socrates, Alexander the Great, Lord Byron, Edward II, Hadrian, Julius Caesar, Michelangelo, Donatello, Christopher Marlowe ect. None of whom did not have any of the porblems you mentioned.

None of which have actually worked though, have they. You can't force somebody to go against there natural orientation anymore than you can force a straight guy to fancy blokes.
As I'm sure your intellegent enough to work out, this wasn't a point about a defense. this was meerly supporting evidence that Homosexuality isn't a 'lifestyle choice' and it happens throughout nature.



[quote=ImpugnI could just have some fun with that...ok I will...here's your paragraph, slightly modified:



Interesting and fun![/quote]
Oh, how childish. I could do that if I wanted but I'll resist, dosn't harm my arguement though.

the thing is, peadophilia is based upon forcably taking someone who can't consent legally. Homosexuals usually are consenting adults (If they wern't it would be rape, just like taking a non-consenting woman). They just have sex diffrently to you and me.

I'm sorry, wehres your evidence that I've ever watched MTV. (I prefer NME TV myself) my statistics so far have been taken from the observer, stonewall, the british medical association and so forth. Not from MTV. Its you who are sitting ind efience of scientific fact and declaring people mentally ill when they are nothing of the sort. I'm not a great fan of anal sex myself, I wouldn't partake in it, but if two consenting adults decide they want to then why should we stop them? ITs none of our buisness. And if two men feel attraction for each other, again, its none of our buisness.


Humm...you realsie a majority of people with AIDS, particually in Africa, are straight don't you. It had an early explosian in the gay communitys but has been brought effectivly under control there. Calling it faggot disease won't change that.


Nope, sorry again statistics are against you. Studies of homosexuality are hard to get due to people being scared of coming out and numbers vary between around 3% and 10%, with 5% being the mean figure. I can give you the survays and results if you want, but heres a taster:

United States

1990: "Homosexuality/Heterosexuality: Concepts of Sexual Orientation" published findings of 13.95% of males and 4.25% of females having had either "extensive" or "more than incidental" homosexual experience.

1990-1992: The American National Health Interview Survey does household interviews of the civilian non-institutionalized population. The results of three of these surveys, done in 1990-1991 and based on over 9,000 responses each time, found between 2-3% of the people responding said yes to a set of statements which included "You are a man who has had sex with another man at some time since 1977, even one time."

1992: The National Health and Social Life Survey asked 3,432 respondents whether they had any homosexual experience. The findings were 1.3% for women within the past year, and 4.1% since 18 years; for men, 2.7% within the past year, and 4.9% since 18 years;

1993: Researchers Samuel and Cynthia Janus surveyed American adults aged 18 and over by distributing 4,550 questionnaires. The results of the cross-sectional nationwide survey stated men and women who reported frequent or ongoing homosexual experiences were 9% of men and 5% of women.

1994: Laumann et. al. analyzed the National Health and Social Life Survey of 1992 which had surveyed 3,432 men and women in the United States between the ages of 18 and 59 and reported that the incidence rate of homosexual desire was 7.7% for men and 7.5% for women.

2003: Smith's 2003 analysis of National Opinion Research Center datastates that 4.9% of sexually active American males had had a male sexual partner since age 18.

Damn, all those scietific survays finding around 5% had disire for people of the same sex...

There behavour is acceptable, you may not like it, but if they're both consenting adults its none of our buisness. Its as acceptable as having sex with a consenting woman.

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You're living under several false assumptions:


1) That your consent is required for ANY word or definition to be valid.

2) That I used it to describe you, personally. To the best of my memory, I don't know you, haven't communicated with you, or care what you think of me.

3)That someone appointed you to decide what is or isn't "incumbent upon normal human beings to do." (Whatever a "normal" human being is.)

4) That you are better qualified to deem what is "normal" and what is "abnormal," than people who have spent their entire careers studying human sexuality.

5) That your words of hatred and bigotry don't actually show you to have a textbook case of HOMOPHOBIA.

Perfectly said.

Though I will advise you that you're wasting your time "debating" this issue on the internet.

They're twisted sickos that want society to veiw their disgusting behaviours and sexual practices as normal and acceptable.

That's all.

They've tried to make it about "rights" THEN they tried to make it about a WORD. Mental degenerates will try any and ALL strange and bizarre tactics

It's really kind of entertaining.

Of course it was political pressure. In 1973, they held a referendum to see if the psychiatrists would agree to delete it from the Diagnostic Manual and only 25 percent of the psychiatrists voted !!!! Of those twenty-five percent, three out of five said, Delete it from the diagnostic manual. So that means that the vote of only fifteen percent of the psychiatrists resulted in homosexuality being deleted from the diagnostic manual.

Just one MORE of the bizarre and desperate "arguments" they use to excuse their illness. Animals do it, so should WE.

So, if you see an old man sitting on a park bench it's ok to jump on and hump his leg

I always wondered what was so attractive about the catshit in the litter box. Dogs eat it. Maybe I'll give it a try.

Many animals will eat their offspring. I'm picturing an infant with an apple in his mouth baking in my oven. How would you spice that ?

Get used to it.

Simple minds are EASY to mold and shape.

We've heard so often that gays and lesbians comprise 10 % of the population that we tend to accept it as fact. Where does the number come from ? The Kinsey Report of fifty years ago that stated that 10 percent of the men in America were homosexuals has been shown to be utterly fraudulent.

The Guttmacher Report came out recently. Now Guttmacher, the head of Planned Parenthood, was no friend of evangelical Christians by any stretch of the imagination. But his study showed that 1.1 percent of American men were either homosexual or bisexual - a far cry from Kinseys 10 %.

Another study showed that 2 % of American men claimed that at one time in their life they had been involved in the homosexual lifestyle but no longer were.

What those two statistics say is that there are far more ex-homosexuals in America than there are active homosexuals. So much for the lie that you can't change.

More change than DON'T !!

But some of them want us to beleive they're "born that way"

This behaviour is only "acceptable" in some places.

What a highly disgusting end to a thoroughly disgusting post. I don't need to comment about your post as your "words" speak for themselves. To appear to "celebrate" in the murder of an innocent person such as Matthew Sheppard sums up for me the type and kind of person you are - hence I doubt we'll be having much engagement on this Forum. I also suspect you won't be around very long.

This thread has indeed gotten disgusting, noahath, I agree.

Why homosexuality is such a raging hot-button issue with some people is beyond me. It appears to be an absolute OBSESSION with some folks, despite not affecting them in anyway whatsoever. Impugn appears to have some pretty deep anger issues that I don't care to explore, frankly, and it's just painful to read.

Overall, the level of seething hatred on this forum, on a number of topics, is truly nauseating, and depressing.

I say please just close this thread, moderator. Nothing positive or intelligent is being acheived here.

Given that this thread has deteriorated way off topic and degenerated into nothing more than bash-fest ... thread closed. Feel free to msg me to re-open it if people want to get back on topic.

Indeed why does/did Ford care so much about gay rights - thats a strange thing to do for a car manufacturer? Are the chairman of Ford gay perhaps?

It doesnt seem like most law enforcement agencies in the U.S oppose gay rights though - most of them insist on buying Ford Crown Victoria.

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First, nice job on resurrecting a dead thread.

Second, gays represent a market share. How important a market share that is can probably be argued, but any company wants to reach as many potential customers as possible. If Ford saw that their attempt to reach the gay customer was hurting them with larger markets, it would be sound business sense to not go after the gay market share...