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View Poll Results: Would you support an abortion ban with a health/life exception for the mother?
Yes - I would support it. 6 22.22%
No -- I would not support it. 21 77.78%
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Old 04-23-2008
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Re: Abortion ban with life/health exceptions?

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True. But then women get unfair treatment as well when it comes to children. Obviously, she doesn't get to make a guy carry the baby, period. If she doesn't want it (whether or not he does), she's either strapped with a child for the next 18 years (at least) or she's strapped with moral condemnation by religious fanatics.
Few will admit their position against abortion is based on belief system dogma that has always positioned women as second-class citizens without individual rights. Those against abortion feel the words pro-life carry more weight than God's Will in justifying their attempts to remove a woman's right to abortion.
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True. But then women get unfair treatment as well when it comes to children. Obviously, she doesn't get to make a guy carry the baby, period. If she doesn't want it (whether or not he does), she's either strapped with a child for the next 18 years (at least) or she's strapped with moral condemnation by religious fanatics.
You seemed to have overlooked the abortion the abortion option altogether...

She's not "strapped" with a child for 18 years if she doesn't want to be or cannot manage.
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You seemed to have overlooked the abortion the abortion option altogether...

She's not "strapped" with a child for 18 years if she doesn't want to be or cannot manage.
If you really meant abortion, then no, it wasn't overlooked.

If you meant adoption then yes, that seemed to slip the unfair treatment "arguments" altogether. Do the man pay child support if the child is put up for adoption?
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Few will admit their position against abortion is based on belief system dogma that has always positioned women as second-class citizens without individual rights. Those against abortion feel the words pro-life carry more weight than God's Will in justifying their attempts to remove a woman's right to abortion.
Do you believe that killing a man is wrong? Why? "Belief system dogma"? Didn't think so...My religious beliefs are not why I think killing an unborn baby is wrong just as my religious beliefs are not why I think killing any human, stealing, lying, etc. are wrong.
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If you really meant abortion, then no, it wasn't overlooked.

If you meant adoption then yes, that seemed to slip the unfair treatment "arguments" altogether. Do the man pay child support if the child is put up for adoption?
Adoption yes sorry, i pressed copy (shortcut) and it was abortion again rather than abortion which is why it came up twice...ended up pasting the wrong thing.

And yes i believe men get a very unfair deal in this. I don't think that the woman having to carry the baby is an "unjust" burden, the outcome of having a child so far outweighs that its a no brainer.

All those who say that it sends women back to the times of no voting rights etc like Americano and co either believe women are truly inferior and thus need exceptional rights, like that of murdering an unborn baby to feel equal to man or those women do use it as an argument or justify it to get an abortion really are weaker and inferior, and not so much inferior to men but to all the women, who God bless them, actually gave birth to a baby rather than abort it before it had any chance in the world.
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Adoption yes sorry, i pressed copy (shortcut) and it was abortion again rather than abortion which is why it came up twice...
I sense something Freudian.

Then again, he's got me on ignore, so someone else will have to tell him he fucked it up...
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Old 04-24-2008
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Adoption yes sorry, i pressed copy (shortcut) and it was abortion again rather than abortion which is why it came up twice...ended up pasting the wrong thing.

And yes i believe men get a very unfair deal in this. I don't think that the woman having to carry the baby is an "unjust" burden, the outcome of having a child so far outweighs that its a no brainer.

All those who say that it sends women back to the times of no voting rights etc like Americano and co either believe women are truly inferior and thus need exceptional rights, like that of murdering an unborn baby to feel equal to man or those women do use it as an argument or justify it to get an abortion really are weaker and inferior, and not so much inferior to men but to all the women, who God bless them, actually gave birth to a baby rather than abort it before it had any chance in the world.
How is the womans right to her own body exceptional to that of mans right to his own body? Are you saying that men do not have rights to their own bodies?
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