So what your saying is, somebody in a coma who is on life support isn't really alive because they could not sustain life on thier own?

And think how much he'd learn if he didn't...

Why do people want to ban abortion?

If a woman wants to kill her own kid.....let her. It's none of my business.

I don't think it should even be a political issue.......a Wedge-issue no less.

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Huh?

No.

What I said was this:

It's not separate. If you could remove the umbilical support, the fetus could not survive.

It most certainly is part of a woman's body. In fact, that's all it is until it's viable on its' own.

I'm actually kinda' surprised that you didn't realize that's what I said, especially since you quoted it...

This is a thoughtful topic, but this option would not be any different from the current law - all abortions would be presented as an emotional or mental "health exception" if the physical health exception does not apply.

So in general, if people want to kill someone else - let them? It's none of our business? Why is it different if it is a woman killing her child?

That is the end of what is left of a civilized society. When the option to kill becomes a "right" that should not be intefered with, then the law has lost its last grounding in truth.

I agree that you need to define crimes and when they apply. Otherwise definitions should be left to Webster's and not the federal government.

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Precisely, not to mention if and when a fully grown adult is murdered he or she may at least have some chance to defend him or herself.

The unborn however most definately can't do that, they have nobody but us to fight for their rights. That's why its most definately the business of the goverment/general public.

Because the law says murdering your own unborn child is not murder......even though I think it is. I wouldn't do it nor would I allow any woman I married to do it ether. Abortion should never be an option because there is always the possibility of having a C-section.

I don't think changing the law back is gonna stop them from getting abortions.

I didn't say it was right to get an abortion. I think these women will receive the punishment they have coming to them in the after-life.

I just feel it's none of my business.

All I have to say is 40 million dead fetuses and counting.

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But what if everyone took that attitude and said it was none of their business?

What if you had a scenario of that Yale student who thought abortion was a form of bueatiful art?

And irrelevant of anything else (women going to hell etc) it still doesn't change the fact that the unborn child is still killed.

And if human life was defined as starting at conception and or abortion being defined as murder then it would become illegal and a crime.

If it were up to a vote I would vote to ban it, but then it would put us back to the days of back-alley abortions. I think it's a little like proabition. Too many want it to stay legal.

Until it gets to the point where almost everyone wants it banned I think we're stuck with it. I pretty much wash my hands of it.

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Excellent point, as usual.

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That is assuming that killing is always illegal which it isn't.

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That's a fair point, i think the closest poll showed that 47% supported the right to abort and 47 oppossed it.

That was back in 04 though and since polling on the data has shown about a 10% swing in favor of abortion.

But we do have laws to prevent folks from committing suicide when pregnant and you can be charged with the crime of attempting to murder an unborn child if so, and it can land the woman upto 20 years in the slammer.

Its all about regulation and will become so again when Roe is overturned. For example we already have the law passed after Laci Peterson was murdered to make it a double homocide if a Pregnant woman is murdered.

But to overtun it would be a start and Congress would have to pass the law and the SC would have to fail to strike it down for it to be upheld.