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View Poll Results: Would you support an abortion ban with a health/life exception for the mother?
Yes - I would support it. 6 22.22%
No -- I would not support it. 21 77.78%
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The way I see it, any pro-lifer who hasn't personally adopted at least eight babies, should probably remain silent.
Why should we remain silent? Shouldn't we try to educate women that there's ways to prevent pregnancy? Shouldn't we speak out about women that refuse to use birth control properly, if at all? Or do you want us to shut up and let these ignorant women continue to kill unborn babies?

And to those of you talking about taking patients off of life support, I pray you never have to make that decision because this time last year, I did and though I know I followed the wishes of my husband and did what I thought was best, there's times that I wish I could just sit at his bedside and hold his hand, even if he didn't know I was there.
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And to those of you talking about taking patients off of life support, I pray you never have to make that decision because this time last year, I did and though I know I followed the wishes of my husband and did what I thought was best, there's times that I wish I could just sit at his bedside and hold his hand, even if he didn't know I was there.
I've done that, and there's not a day that's gone by when I ever second-guessed that decision. As I said before, life support is for the benefit of the family, not the patient...
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Why should we remain silent? Shouldn't we try to educate women that there's ways to prevent pregnancy? Shouldn't we speak out about women that refuse to use birth control properly, if at all? Or do you want us to shut up and let these ignorant women continue to kill unborn babies?
Unfortunately, many (most?) of those who push the anti-abortion agenda also push very hard for restrictions on birth control and education about birth control. For so many, it's "abstinence only," which clearly doesn't work in the real world.
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I've done that, and there's not a day that's gone by when I ever second-guessed that decision. As I said before, life support is for the benefit of the family, not the patient...
Also been there and feel the same way. Both my wife and I have it in our wills as do most members of our families and many of our friends. After watching two of our parents and a couple of friends in other states suffer horribly through cancer wanting and begging to get it over with, I also greatly appreciate Oregon's Death with Dignity law.

It's no different than a woman being able to retain the decision power to elect for abortion. No person or government should be able to dictate either of those decisions to anyone.
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Unfortunately, many (most?) of those who push the anti-abortion agenda also push very hard for restrictions on birth control and education about birth control. For so many, it's "abstinence only," which clearly doesn't work in the real world.
While I agree that there are those out there that push abstinence only, I believe there's probably more like me out there that are realists. Abstinence should always be encouraged in young people but birth control should also be readily available to anyone that wants it. I encouraged it with my children but I also had a great relationship with them and put my daughter and step-daughter on the pill when they came to me asking for it. (My step-daughter was on it more for medical reasons than anything whereas my daughter wanted it at 17...she's now almost 25 and married to the same man!)
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I've done that, and there's not a day that's gone by when I ever second-guessed that decision. As I said before, life support is for the benefit of the family, not the patient...
I can't say that I've really second-guessed my decision but I miss him so much that at times I wish for a few moments that I had him here with me. I know in my heart that I truly did the right thing but I'm still not over the anger at the nurse that killed him. If she hadn't kinked his chest tube, he'd still be alive.
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While I agree that there are those out there that push abstinence only, I believe there's probably more like me out there that are realists. Abstinence should always be encouraged in young people but birth control should also be readily available to anyone that wants it. I encouraged it with my children but I also had a great relationship with them and put my daughter and step-daughter on the pill when they came to me asking for it. (My step-daughter was on it more for medical reasons than anything whereas my daughter wanted it at 17...she's now almost 25 and married to the same man!)
What about the morning after pill? Is that considered abortion by pro-lifers?
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What about the morning after pill? Is that considered abortion by pro-lifers?
I don't like the morning after pill for use as birth control but in cases of rape or incest, I believe it's beneficial.
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I don't like the morning after pill for use as birth control but in cases of rape or incest, I believe it's beneficial.
The same stance you take on abortion; it's fine in circumstances you dictate?
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The same stance you take on abortion; it's fine in circumstances you dictate?
That is my OPINION. Obviously, I don't dictate anything or the laws would be different.
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What about the morning after pill? Is that considered abortion by pro-lifers?
That's the buzz...
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Re: Abortion ban with life/health exceptions?

Because it prevents implantation of the zygote, it's considered "abortion."
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Because it prevents implantation of the zygote, it's considered "abortion."
We could even take this a little further. As the pill prevents ovulation, (an ovum is alive), those who take the pill (or variants thereof) kill a potential baby every month (if they are sexually active).
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We could even take this a little further. As the pill prevents ovulation, (an ovum is alive), those who take the pill (or variants thereof) kill a potential baby every month (if they are sexually active).
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Please expand.
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