It's based on the home addresses given by women at abortion clinics throughout Europe. And there have been higher abortion rates, especially in Eastern Europe.

Hmm maybe i should vote then and vote yes...just to screw it all up a little.

Problem is i would have to read the OP, and for that i'd have to click on view post and since the forum software upgrade that comes up in a new window or browser half the time and that's too much hassel, it won't be worth it for this.

I agree, it does provide a starting point. Beyond that however, it also makes the "right" or "wrong" of terminating a problem pregnancy question into a non-starter.

I have always been of the opinion that the entire "battle" over this issue, isn't and hasn't ever been so much about "saving the unborn" as it has been about who gets to control the availability of abortion and what set of standards will be used to decide "who deserves" them or not.

Furthermore, it is a very convenient political football, to stand "the moral highground" and kick about. If these "oh-the-poor-children" types were actually doing something for the millions of kids already breathing on their own, perhaps their "concern" wouldn't ring quite so hollow.

So women need to put thier home addresses down to get an abortion? Hmmm
I think a link or something other than anecdotal evidence would be in order.
You are suggesting that roughly one half of the pregnancies in Ireland are willingly terminated. I simply dont buy those numbers.

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More likely, the "yes" vote would be due to your believing that there should be no mitigating circumstances: For you, it's "No abortion, period". If Mommy dies, tough shit, right?

Well, my respectful opinion is that you are wrong. No offense but you can't claim to know the intentions of all those who oppose abortion. Perhaps there are some who would fall under your stereotype but I find it to be rather ridiculous to believe that most do.

Again, this is a stereotype and again I doubt it describes those who oppose abortion well.

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I find it interesting that you didn't include the portion of my post that I based that on, ie:

"I agree, it does provide a starting point. Beyond that however, it also makes the "right" or "wrong" of terminating a problem pregnancy question into a non-starter."

Well then perhaps you can provide us with some reliable statistics that show this to be otherwise? I'm fairly clear as to which side of the aisle I consistently hear calls for cuts in social, education, and family support programs, and it's the same one the trots out this issue as a wedge to garner votes virtually every national election. Funny thing being, is that we're no closer to a resolution that is acceptable to the anti-choice hardcores the next time an election rolls around.

If on a personal level, you are providing a home and the needed support for kids that would have otherwise done without, good on you, you're walking the talk and very much the exception. If you aren't...

Irish Abortion Statistics

Irish Abortion statistics

Why exactly is it so hard to believe?