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| View Poll Results: Which position best describes your view of abortion and the law? | |||
| Abortion should be legal, without any specific restrictions. |
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19 | 20.43% |
| Abortion should be legal, but subject to some restriction(s). |
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50 | 53.76% |
| Abortion should be banned, but subject to exceptions. |
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10 | 10.75% |
| Abortion should be banned, with the sole exception of when the life of the mother is in jeopardy. |
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14 | 15.05% |
| Voters: 93. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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Re: One last abortion poll (Now with more options!)
It does seem, though, that if one is going to enter the medical profession, one must be prepared to set aside certain beliefs in order to effectively serve the patient. Medicine is not about the doctor's squeamishness, it is about doing what's best for the patient. Refusing to prescribe birth control on religious grounds is not, IMHO, doing what's best for the patient. It's doing what's best for the doctor.
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I think that the medical community has a pretty good history of policing itself. I'd like to see those mechanisms exhausted first.
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That seems reasonable to me. One of my points all along is that you're not going to have a lot of doctors at abortion clinics that are unwilling to perform abortions, in general. And, if you have a religious doctor that won't put you on the pill... get a new doctor. Personally, I'd view that as a good way to vet a doctor anyway.
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That's a fair point. But, even in that circumstance, I'm not sure forcing that doctor to perform or do things he wasn't comfortable with would be the best option. He might well decide to move or stop practicing medicine, in which case you're certainly not better off.
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I guess what I'm trying to say is that before med-school is even considered, there should be some counseling about the expectation of providing patient care, even if there may be a personal objection to the care.
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The spectrum of physicians is as striking as the rest of humanity. Genius to pure asshattery.
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I can think of several. It would be an intentional and premeditated assault on someone doing harm to neither his person nor his property (assuming that I was just stuck to him). I could certainly argue that I was taken into the house against my will and that I was presumably doing everything in my power to leave as quickly as I could. If the fact that this scenario involves me super-gluing myself to the guy bothers you, feel free to imagine that I was attached to this fellow without my consent. In fact, that would better parallel the abortion debate. Really, I don't see how you can stand by the assertion that when two people are stuck together, one of this must automatically lose all his/her rights and can be freely killed by the other. Quote:
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Exactly what right gets voided for the women here? Let's say at 26th months we recognize the unborn as a person, giving it roughly the same protections as is currently granted to infants (with some obvious allowances made for it being in the womb). How have the mother's basic rights changed? She can't perform acts that would kill the baby, but then she can't do that after its born either. The specific acts in question change with the situation, but the basic rights are the same. Does this limit the activities she can perform? Of course it does, but everyone's activities are limited to those that don't result in the death of another innocent person. Even if some sneaky person manages to super-glue a newborn infant to its mother, that doesn't give the mother the right to kill it. It seems to me that it would make sense to first decide should and should be granted rights, and to make that decision based on the individual in question. Then we could work on figuring out what to do when the rights of individuals conflict.
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Of course, when rights have not yet been granted or only granted to one party, another solution exists. Quote:
Again, I'm not talking about violation of rights, I'm talking about rendering rights useless as a result of being trumped by what should be equal rights. A can only trump B if A is not equal to B. Quote:
And by the way, I will not discuss innocence in this context. That's solely a moral judgment. |