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| Abortion, Civil Rights, Healthcare and other Social Issues Abortion, Civil Rights, Homosexuality, Education, Healthcare and other such issues |
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| Abortion should be legal, without any specific restrictions. |
   
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19 | 20.43% |
| Abortion should be legal, but subject to some restriction(s). |
  
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50 | 53.76% |
| Abortion should be banned, but subject to exceptions. |
  
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10 | 10.75% |
| Abortion should be banned, with the sole exception of when the life of the mother is in jeopardy. |
  
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14 | 15.05% |
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06-29-2008
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06-29-2008
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I've really never understood why society is supposed to bend over backwards to give these unwanted children really miserable lives and then the same ones who agitate for it most strenuously are always the least understanding of how a hard childhood makes one turn against the world. If you can save one from a really miserable existence before they really exist in any real sense of the word, shouldn't you?
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07-09-2008
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And desperate times call for desperate measures; especially with teen girls. Better to abort a fetus in the first couple months than find some grizzly discovery near the end of the pregnancy or after they've given birth. We still see it with the odd case now and again of some desperate girl (usually from a strict and religious background) who does her best to hide it and then gives birth and throws the baby away in the trash, or a river or wherever. The interesting thing to note about teens is that among the youngest who lose their virginity are evangelical teens, with a national average clocking in just under Protestants and Catholics at age 16.3 compared to 16.9 for the other two groups. But among the more religious groups you'll find that STD's and pregnancies are higher because of abstinence-only education, which is only one part of the education they ought to be getting, and not the whole part. So what really gets my goat on abortion is that it's the very strict crowd against it that is also the most reckless. It's like they want sex to be as dangerous as possible for you if you do it out of wedlock. I already think there are too many people on the planet. Teach kids to glove it especially and for girls to go on the pill. This ridiculous notion of chastity-pledges and abstinence are a myth and there ruining people's lives.
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07-12-2008
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07-26-2008
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Why not just allow abortions but make it dependent on professional approval? I think the way it works in much of Europe is an adequate solution. It doesn't prohibit all abortions, but it does prohibit abortions which are just a matter of personal choice without consideration of the standard of living of the child and parents or mental and physical health.
To think that mothers have some inalienable right to have complete power over the life or potential life of their children is rather ridiculous. There are many, many more people involved in this decision than just the mother. What of society? What of the father? What of the medical considerations? All these things need to be in the equation.
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07-26-2008
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I can actually respect the people who oppose abortion because they genuinely believe that it is murder, even though I passionately disagree with them. The people I just cannot respect are the ones who support abortion, but only whent they approve of then reasons and the circumstances. That stems from a far greater desire to control women than anything the "pro lifers" can come up with.
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07-26-2008
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No, I don't. We have to "grovel" before planning boards to change the paint on our homes, we have to "grovel" before so many people in order to get simple, quite unimportant things done. With something as important as an inevitable life, how can society not have some control? This is especially the case when society is providing these services.
Taking a reasoned stand is never the wrong thing to do. Taking a stand that involves or at least recognises all those concerned is never wrong. It is taking the blind positions such as the one you are taking or the one you respect that leads to untold suffering and unnecessary loss of life. Who really wants a system like you have where the Health Service Executive prevented women from travelling to Britain to get an abortion? Who wants a system where partial-birth abortions are perfectly legal, as in Canada? Those are the products of unreasonable and purely ideological abortion laws.
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07-29-2008
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This is probably going to piss people off, but it needs to be said. I posted my thoughts about adoption instead of abortion here:
Dealing with Abortion I have been pro-life, then pro-choice (as a young adult), and then finally pro-life again. The only time a baby should be aborted is when the mother's life is in jeopardy. It's better to save one life than possibly lose two.
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07-29-2008
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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition
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07-29-2008
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Ithat were indeed the case, and society does decide a man needs a vasectomy, the very least they could do is allow him to have a hearing in front of a judge.
Though, if you're asking in general if I think there is social involvement in contraception (of which a vasectomy is amongst the most permanent of examples), then I think there is but this social involvement is less than in the case of abortion. By the very nature that an abortion is post-conception means that it is not as advanced and important in relevance to the inevitable (or at least nigh-on-certain) life. Unless you follow the Catholic Church's instruction or you have a very radical view of choice in abortion, I think you'd agree that an abortion is more serious a matter than contraception.
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07-29-2008
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That's too Orwellian for my tastes.
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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition
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07-30-2008
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Re: One last abortion poll (Now with more options!)
Perhaps, but in that case why not legalise drugs and suicide, tolerate self-harm and all sorts of other 'doing things to your body' things?
And it isn't purely the responsibility of the man to ensure contraception. Yes, it is his role too, but as the old cliche goes, it takes two to tango. And it must be kept in mind that whilst the woman does and still would under my idea have quite a lot of control over whether to have the child, the man has no such control but he must still, except in the case of adoption, help to pay the costs of that child. I do not disagree with this, whilst it strikes me as somewhat unfair, any move to change that would be so viciously anti-woman as to completely rule that out. So to say that the male consequence for pregnancy could reasonably be a vasectomy fails to realise that the consequence is 18 years of child support payments. It's not "Orwellian" at all. Wherever you have abortion regulation, you have limits as to when you can or cannot get an abortion. It's only sensible to have these limits and to have some sort of justification for stopping a birth and a life coming into existence that is not just "because this is what I want". I appreciate that abortions are not easy decisions, by all means trust me I know, so do not take what I said as somehow thinking that women who want an abortion are just doing it either on the spur of the moment or somehow with shallow thought. Very rarely, if at all, is that the case.
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"Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men, will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." - John Maynard Keynes
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07-30-2008
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In any case, none of this should be up to the federal government. The Constitution neither guarantees the right to abortion nor calls for its prohibition. Leave it up to the states. That is what the Constitution actually requires.
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 "Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.
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07-30-2008
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(2) So what? The fact that these regulations exist doesn't make them right. (3) Why is it "only sensible" to have these limits? If you think abortion is stopping a life then why do you support it at all? Not wanting to have a baby is an excellent reason to have an abortion. (4) Actually, for a lot of women they are, by all means trust me I know... And if a woman has an abortion on the spur of the moment, so what? You can't only support a woman's right to have an abortion when you feel she has gone through the proper anguish and the proper consideration of what it means for society as a whole. 
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