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View Poll Results: Which position best describes your view of abortion and the law?
Abortion should be legal, without any specific restrictions. 19 20.43%
Abortion should be legal, but subject to some restriction(s). 50 53.76%
Abortion should be banned, but subject to exceptions. 10 10.75%
Abortion should be banned, with the sole exception of when the life of the mother is in jeopardy. 14 15.05%
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This is probably going to piss people off, but it needs to be said. I posted my thoughts about adoption instead of abortion here:

Dealing with Abortion

I have been pro-life, then pro-choice (as a young adult), and then finally pro-life again. The only time a baby should be aborted is when the mother's life is in jeopardy. It's better to save one life than possibly lose two.
From a quick read, it appears that your "pro-choice" years coincided with the years of your life when the decision to have an abortion would be most relevant or likely. And, it certainly doesn't piss me off - it's quite understandable and common to want a special set of rules to apply to oneself, in much the same way that people think driving while talking on cell phones is a general hazard, but know that they can handle it, personally. Abortion would be acceptable if you needed it, but other people ought not to do it.
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(1) I was wondering when you'd bring up the "thin end of the wedge" argument. Why not, indeed, but those are different issues.

(2) So what? The fact that these regulations exist doesn't make them right.

(3) Why is it "only sensible" to have these limits? If you think abortion is stopping a life then why do you support it at all? Not wanting to have a baby is an excellent reason to have an abortion.

(4) Actually, for a lot of women they are, by all means trust me I know... And if a woman has an abortion on the spur of the moment, so what? You can't only support a woman's right to have an abortion when you feel she has gone through the proper anguish and the proper consideration of what it means for society as a whole.
1) Indeed, that's why I was saying that I don't think it's particularly relevant to actually make that comparison. They are different issues.

2) No, but it does perhaps say that the vast majority of people or societies agree that regulation is needed.

3) It's sensible because it's an important issue where rules are needed. Rules are needed because it is an important issue which affects more than just one person.

4) No, I'm saying that she needs proper reasons. I don't really care if she finds it easy or not - it's whether she can justify it.
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4) No, I'm saying that she needs proper reasons. I don't really care if she finds it easy or not - it's whether she can justify it.
Seriously, you don't think not wanting to have a baby is an adequate reason for having an abortion? You think that women should only be "allowed" to have abortions when you approve?
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No, I don't. If the law doesn't accept it, out of the whole host of reasons that are possible (physical health of mother and child, mental health of mother and child, economic reasons, etc...) then I don't think pure choice is good enough for a woman not to bring a child into this earth. I'm not suggesting forcing her to raise the child, that really is a matter of choice, both because it is right and because it would not be good to force the child to live with a mother who does not want to have the child. Put the child up for adoption straight after birth, organise it (as many mothers do) before the birth to let another family adopt the child. There is a massive waiting list of would-be parents.

If a mother felt so strongly about having an abortion, it would likely be justified under mental health considerations. It is the process that is necessary - I do not think this would cut down massively on abortions.

As I said, reasoned laws on abortion are the only ones that do not end up ruining lives. The situation you're advocating or the situation that exists in your country, which you "respect" causes untold suffering and social conflict.
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As you believe society has a say in one's rights with respect to procreation, perhaps a man should grovel before some judge when society has decided he needs a vascectomy.
Well now it's the "War on Women" as Bush wants to deny funds to any insurance providers or places that sell birth control, because apparently some employees are "feeling bad" about having to give birth control out.

Hilarious.
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Well now it's the "War on Women" as Bush wants to deny funds to any insurance providers or places that sell birth control, because apparently some employees are "feeling bad" about having to give birth control out.

Hilarious.
It would be nice to see a source for this claim.
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wow, woman should be allowed to lack morals and ethics and kill a baby because its in their body?

I called liberals masochists in an earlier post but this takes the cake, they want to kill babies too but bitch about war.

So basically liberalism is fucking, makingo babies, abortion if you dont want babies, crying about war and fucking and making babies and when you decide to keep a baby you teach them that smoking is bad and that they can be gay at 5 years old.. Oh I forgot the whole raisng taxes thing, unconditional support for illegal aliens and Osama Obama......

Yes liberals I have lost my mind......I'm a crazy republiucan, whom is just crazy.
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wow, woman should be allowed to lack morals and ethics and kill a baby because its in their body?

I called liberals masochists in an earlier post but this takes the cake, they want to kill babies too but bitch about war.

So basically liberalism is fucking, makingo babies, abortion if you dont want babies, crying about war and fucking and making babies and when you decide to keep a baby you teach them that smoking is bad and that they can be gay at 5 years old.. Oh I forgot the whole raisng taxes thing, unconditional support for illegal aliens and Osama Obama......

Yes liberals I have lost my mind......I'm a crazy republiucan, whom is just crazy.
I haven't seen many posters who want to kill babies.
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I haven't seen many posters who want to kill babies.

What do you call abortion?
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What do you call abortion?
Abortion. As a baby is a viable human being, abortion does not 'kill babies'; but it does sound dramatic.
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Abortion. As a baby is a viable human being, abortion does not 'kill babies'; but it does sound dramatic.
Since when are liberals God?
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Liberals decide when a baby has a soul or a brain? liberals decide right?
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Since when are liberals God?
Sorry, I'm not following.
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Sorry, I'm not following.
Because you have nothing to say on the topic other then liberal standard ideologies.
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Because you have nothing to say on the topic other then liberal standard ideologies.
No, it's because I'm not following your point with your question, "Since when are liberals God?" If you don't wish to clarify, that's cool.
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