I didn't imply the argument that abortion should be outlawed on the basis of how we enforce the endangered species act. There are plenty of reasonable arguments against abortion as a practice - making omlettes out of eagles hardly cuts the mustard.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

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In this country, the only time it is acceptable for one individual to kill another is in self defense.

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Or... when executing people. Or... when fighting wars and killing combatants. Or... when fighting wars and non-combatants get in the way. Or... when you didn't mean to do it.

You know, I'd venture to say that the human take on killing other humans seems downright fluid.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

Yes, and my skin is living. So is my appendix, and so are my tonsils. That's a no go.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

None of the above are actions taken between individuals.

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No, I'm saying that it is illegal to kill an American bald eagle.

By "viability" logic (are the eggs actually "eagles"?), you should encounter no problems making eagle-egg omelets on the park ranger's Franklin stove right in front of him.

Good luck with that.

(I hear they're delicious when served with spotted owl scrapple.)

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

Sorry guy. The references state explictly that unborns at any stage of development are living human beings.

I am off to the beach for the weekend. Take some time and do a bit of research and learn for yourself that there is no credible science that states that the offspring of two human beings is ever anything but a human being while there are virtual mountains that say that they are.

You might take the time to work out a rational argument.

Have a great holiday weekend all.

By the way. A bit of research wil yield that skin, apendix, tonsils etc are simply parts of more mature human beings and not human beings in and of themselves.

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Rem tene, verba sequentur.

If I get run over by someone in driving car, I'll feel better while dying to know that society as a group actually ran me over. I've no doubt that people killed in wars are also killed by society.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

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My argument is quite rationale as I do not throw out fundamental issues to the debate simply because they are inconvenient to my argument. You do when you throw out viability. The question of viability is inconveninet to your argument. you toss it out. Not only is that irrational, it is lazy.

Now going to your references, you quote one of them with this excerpt: "... a zygote is a unicellular human being..." [emphasis mine].

If you wish to equate yourself with a unicellular organism, so be it. I think more highly of myself.

And, I think all of us will be fascinated when you provide links that do something other than tell us that a zygote belongs to the human species, as do skin cells, as do appendix cells, as do all non-viable parts of a woman's body, etc.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

Ah, I see what you're saying, and feel kind of daft for not picking up on it the first time.

Are you in Pennsylvania? I love scrapple, but I just can't get it around here.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

Scrapple is an evil invention.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

I'm in Delaware County, PA...part of Scrapple Country. .

And, while not for everyone, it is not evil.

It is available more widely than you might know...check this out for example:

http://www.habbersettscrapple.com/availability.html

I don't know if its the sort of thing you'd want to order over the Internet, however. Not so good when it turns.

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"Compassionate Conservatism"?!?! That is a stupid phrase. Conservatism is inherently compassionate. It is liberalism that is cruel for the sake of maintaining a constituency.

It might well be, though as long as I don't know exactly what's in it, I feel that it's a "hear no evil, see no evil" approach

@Impugn - thanks for the link! I'll check into how long it takes. If I can order good scrapple, you've just made my day.

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What does an infant, a toddler, and a teenager all have in common? They all have brains. What's the difference between an egg and a baby a month developped? They don't have brains. What are you without a brain? A vegetable.

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