As I have said (repeatedly) the courts have stated in perfectly frank terms that there is an undeniable difference between killing a healthy individual and letting someone who is so sick or injured that no reasonable hope of recovery die.

You have a right to live, but you do not have a right to extraordinary measures to be taken on your behalf simply to extend your life when no reasonable hope of your recovery exists.

There is no valid analogy between letting the sick and injured die and killing one who is thriving.

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14th Amendment to the Constitution of the US.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Clear enough? If you refer to Black's Legal Dictionary, the dictionary found in the chambers of the Supreme Court, the dictionary used when a dispute arises between legal teams over the definition of a word, you will find the word person defined as "a human being".

When the court decided roe, they made the decision based on the assumption that unborns were not human beings because they knew perfectly well that to admit that they were human beings was to admit that they were persons in the eyes of the law. In fact, in his majority decision, Justice Blackmun acknowledged that should the question of personhood (humanity) of the unborn be answered, that roe would collapse as the child would be entitled to the protection of the 14th amendment.

The question of personhood has been answered in spades. In fact, there are people sitting in prision right now having been charged, tried, and sentenced separately, and explicitly for murder and manslaughter in the killing of unborns. In this country you can't even be charged, much less tried and convicted for any sort of criminal homicide unless you have, in fact, killed a person.

And again, your inability to wrap your mind around the fact that an unborn at any stage of development is as much a human being as you reflects your own intellectual shortcomings and does not have any bearing on the facts.

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Oh I agree that the one generally makes a poor analogy for the other, and indeed I am both "pro-life" and also OK with the law allowing family members and doctors to "pull the plug" in some cases.

However, surely you concede that, by your definitions, these "sick or injured" people are human beings? We can't possibly accept a system in which we grant equal protection to every thing that is both human and in existence.

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"All persons born or naturalized in the United States". That doesn't include the unborn.

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Remember the Turkey Genocide.

Should I take that to mean that you don't think that Black's definition of "person" should be the sole basis upon which the matter of abortion is resolved?

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Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?

--Hunter S. Thompson

Geez. Do you have a clue about anything? Are you telling me that you are unable to read the Constitution of the US and understand what it says? My God man, do you need every single thing explained to you?

Clearly, you can't read the words and understand what they say so allow me to explain the 14th amendment to you. I will even use colors (the closest thing to crayons) to help you understand.

Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

You may or may not have noticed that the amendment is written in two sentences. There is a reason for that.

At the time the amendment was added, states were in charge of citizenship, not the federal government and as such, people were first and foremost, a citizen of their particular state and second a citizen of the US. There were several states that were denying their citizens ther basic human rights on this basis. (slavery) The first sentence (in dark red) establishes that we are first and foremost citizens of the US and secondarily citizens of our state and since we are primarily citizens of the US, our rights are protected by the constitution and no state has the power to deny them.

Clearly the first sentence (written in dark red) states that only persons born or naturalized are citizens but one doesn't have to be a citizen in order to enjoy the protections of the 14th amendment as I will explain.

The second sentence is written in three clauses. There is a reason for this.The first clause (written in blue) is to enhance and punctuate the first sentence. It states clearly that no state law can override the rights protected by the constitution.

Did you notice that the clauses are separated with semicolons ( instead of commas (,)? Do you recognize the signifigance of semicolons vs commas. Maybe I better explain that to you as well since it is clear that you haven't seriously considered the language or punctuation used in the Constitution. One must understand the punctuation used in order to grasp what the writers are saying. A semicolon used to indicate a major division in a sentence where a more distinct separation is felt between clauses or items on a list than is indicated by a comma, as between the two clauses of a compound sentence.

The second clause (written in red) states that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law. This clause states that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, property without due process, not "no citizen". The first clause points out and states that citizens have certain privledges and immunities attatched to their citizenship where as the second states that NO PERSON shall be deprived of life liberty or property.

This theory was first tested in the case of Yick Wo v Hopkins in 1876. The court clearly stated that "The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens."

There are numerous cases after this one that affirmed this fact. If you need to see them, I can look some of them up for you.

Finally, the third clause (written in purple). "nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws".

Don't tell me that you aren't aware of the EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE. This is it. It is why you can't kill, rape, beat, or steal from non citizens. Stated simply, one doesn't have to be a citizen of the US for one's right to live to be protected in the US or be born in the US in order to be considered a person under the constitution.

If there is any of this that you don't understand, I will be happy to elaborate but the fact is that you don't have to be born here or even be a citizen of this country in order to have your right to live protected. If you doubt me, go out and kill an illegal alien. You will find that the charges brought against you will be murder, just the same as if you killed someone who was born here

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There is no doubt that that they are human beings but equal protection does not include extraordinary measures being taken on your behalf when it is clear that no reasonable hope of recovery exists for you. The equal protection clause states that no one shall be denied life liberty or property without due process. In cases where there is any dispute over whether any reasonable hope for recovery exists, the individual in question gets his or her day in court before the plug is pulled.

Give each and every unborn his or her day in court and show just cause why they should forfiet their life and you won't hear a peep from me on this issue again.

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Like it or not, when a dispute arises between legal teams over the meaning of a legal term, Black's is the final arbiter. The roe court assumed that unborns were not human beings in order to avoid having Blacks brought out to settle the dispute.

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Rem tene, verba sequentur.

So where in the US Constitution is it stated that zygotes are persons?

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Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?

--Hunter S. Thompson

Right, but where does it define what a person is? You have one definition of a person, but what is the legal definition? I don't define a person as a clump of cells.

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Remember the Turkey Genocide.

Yep, and any woman who has an unessary abortion should be charged with murder.

What kind of psycho calls murder civil rights?

If you dont want a fucking baby then dont have sex because obviously you arent mature enough for it.

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America’s political correctness is a disease that will bring down our once fine nation.

Completely irrelevant. You might as well be saying that she isn't entitled to use the word as she sees fit.

Her usage of the word is absolutely proper and I'd say that you owe her an apology for being obnoxious.

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Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush?

--Hunter S. Thompson