What????

So law decides when a human becomes human? If it was 25 would that make it ok to kill people under 25?

Law makers cant decide this because congress doesnt know shit.

When was congress God?

Also I dont understand your double jeopardy example...

I dont understand how a fetus can be just that one day (nothing more then junk) but the next day its a valued baby.

What type of shit is that?

It should always be valued and if you dont reconize it at 5 weeks then you dont at 25 because its all the same to me. 5 weeks or 25 years old they are at both stages valued humans.

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I agree with you. No law can actually define what a human is because a human is too complex to be actually defined. You could easily say a human is defined as a species of mammals, but how much does that actually say about the human species? I judge based on my own beliefs I assume to be true.

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None of this is relevant. "Murder" is a legal term that describes the unlawful killing of a person. Abortion is not unlawful and therefore, it is not "murder", regardless of whether a fetus is a "person" or not. The double jeopardy comment was to illustrate that you can't substitute your disagreement with the law for the law itself.

You think abortion should be murder. But, to say that it is murder is simply saying something that is demonstrably incorrect. If abortions were murders, then aborting mothers and/or their doctors would be tried for murder.

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I'm a Christian so I believe that people have no right to define when a fetus is a valued "object"..... No one has the right so its better to be safe then sorry.

Now of course if a woman has an ectopic pregnancy then thats a different story but to abort for no reason other then not wanting to deal with the responsibility or other superficial reasons is wrong.

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What? Murder is a legal term? Are you not Human your self?

I would expect that answer out of a sociopath.

People dont kill people and it has nothing to do with law and everything to do with empathy for others.

I dont kill people because I fear the law.... I dont kill people because I dont want to hurt others and I know there families love them and even if they dont have families I have no right to take a life because its WRONG!!!!! I am NOT God. The Law is nothing more then punishment for psychos that dont have morals or empathy for others.

Yea thats why we dont eat people too.

I think your a sociopath.

Unfortunately there is no room for religion in court and so you will never convince any judge based on what your religion tells you to believe. That is why abortion is legal and will remain legal.

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While your sentimentality is touching, and I have no doubt that your gentle heart is absolutely bursting with empathy and tears of understanding for everyone you see, namecalling and emotional hysterics are lost on me.

If you want to make an argument, make one. If you're going to call me names because you don't bother to understand the definitions of words that you use and try to cover that fact with the hippie crap you just spewed, color me uninterested. And, by the way, I'll file this "give peace a chance, can't we all be brothers" schmaltz away for the next time you're feeling in the mood to stump for one of our current pet wars or else a new one that you want to slake your bloodlust. After all, you described yourself as a "neocon" and neocons tend to like war for its own sake.

Now, do you have anything of substance to add, or should I take your previous rant as concession that you either ignored or were unaware that "murder" is a legal term with a specific meaning?

Are you denying that self-consciousness is one of, if not the, most significant defining characteristics of humans?



That has nothing to do with right or wrong. You're simply saying that the judiciary would find it inexpedient and would therefore refuse to do it, which is a scathing indictment, if true, in that it shows that expedience takes precedence over ethics.



Really? Is it legal to allow them to die, or does the law stipulate that they must be kept alive?



If/when they do, Black's definition of "person" goes right out the window.



Is this the precise reasoning given by the medical literature that you frequently cite or is this your own reasoning?

Why is it scientifically necessary to say that a zygote is a human being, rather than merely saying that it is human?



That is merely an assumption.

Furthermore, I would say that both "humanness" and "personhood" can be measured in degree. As self-consciousness is an important defining characteristic of humanness, I would say, then, that a person with self-consciousness has to be considered more human than one which lacks it, assuming that we wish to be honest.



Actually, you have, in that your position rests entirely on the premise that because Black's defines "person" as a human being, a human being is therefore necessarily a person.



All you managed to show above was that from the standpoint of expedience it was unlikely that the judiciary would acknowledge such a deficiency, which, again, is a scathing indictment if true.



Again, why is it scientifically necessary to say that a zygote is a human being rather than merely saying that it is human?

Can it be scientifically demonstrated to be an absolutely necessary distinction?

How does a scientific dictionary define "human being"?

Is such a definition the most applicable in a court of law and if so, why?



Then why did you refer back to the founders and their "inalienable rights" when I asked you where in the US Constitution is it stated that Zygotes are persons?

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By all means, provide the source for your "definition".

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Then why swear on the Bible?

If there is no room for religion then why not lie on the stand? why not expect it?

Maybe morally is wrong? ethically its you...

Doesnt matter anyways because people go to jail every day for lieng on the stand. Religion is morality in society... You cant expect people to be ethical, liberals arent and you can CLEARLY see that at the RNC with little hoods breaking innocent peoples store front windows... It proves librealism and the lack of religion in ones life makes them unethical.

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lol...

Look fuck name calling...I dont really give a shit about your feelings because its you who controll them.

You liberals are all the same ALL OF YOU....Fuck your feelings... only a punks feelings gets hurt.

Also I didnt call anyone anything directly .... I dont like liberals.

I have been adding substance guy.... You just dont realize it because you have a disease called liberalsim which makes you overlook or ignore things. You dont want to believe there are libreals right now destroying the RNC so you block it out of your head and say I dont have substance.

You want dumb fucks like Obama to tell you what you want to hear and then you turn the "ears" on...

I expect nothing more out of liberals then what I have seen over the last few days and not only that but EXPECTED it.... They think they are the Weathermen or the SDS..... They should get a fucking job.

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It depends what you consider is unethical.

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A buch of rich privliged white fucking kids that think they are liberals but riot because they are too stupid to understand the Constitution and have proven every point I have made in my political blogging.... They are the reason why I started blogging ... The leftists animals are the reason why I took an interest in politics. I was once a liberal and saw this junk several years ago and turned my back on this pathetic idology called liberalism much like david horowitz did to the SDS and the weather underground.

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