Yea, a persons "violation" of hurting dont fall under unethical treatment or morality for that matter.

People shouldnt have to depend on other people to be happy... typical liberal ideology states that I should have to make you happy... I should hold your feelings as your psyical nerves...

It's called "entitlement"...

Now, with that said.... Unethical is breaking the Ten Commandments which Im quite sure you never read but know.... The Ten Commandments are ethical and moral law.... Beyond that you are entitled to nothing.

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Yes I am because every child under 12 months is recognized as a human being although they are not self aware. Even children born so retarded that they will never become self aware are considered to be human beings. Arguing that one must be self aware in order to be a human being when there are literaly millions upon millions who are not self aware but are considered to be human beings strikes me as... well, never mind what it strikes me as. Suffice it to say that it is a very weak argument.

THe fact is that the definition is what it is and has been since Black's was first published. The pro choice side of this issue has been trying since roe to redefine what a human being is and have, as of today, not yet succeeded.

As I have pointed out numerous times now, the courts have said that there is an indisputable difference betweeen killing a healthy individual and letting one die who is so sick or injured that no hope of recovery exists.

Do you believe that we would have to, for some reason, call aliens human beings? Do you believe that they would even want to be called persons?

I invite you to refer to a medical dictionary, or a scientific dictionary, or any old dictionary and look up human being. If my argument required that I must redefine members of a species in order to even get it off the ground, I would start working on a new argument.

Because your skin is human skin. Your kidneys are human kidneys. In fact, any human tissue could be classified as human whereas a zygote is an individual member of the species. It is not simply human tissue, it is a separate individual. This is elementary developmental biology. Are you seriously telling me that you are not aware of these facts?

You can say anything you like. All that matters, however, is what you can substantiate.

And one who is self conscious has merely manifested more of his or her potential than one who has not. They are not different creatures because one has realized his or her potential to a greater degree. On a philosophical level, your argument falls apart as well.

And exactly what does your positon rest on? A meeting with aliens? Rewriting a legal dicitonary that has been in use, and accepted for over 100 years?

My position has been substantiated while yours has not and never will be.

A scathing indictment because it doesn't agree with you? You believe the definition is deficient because you don't agree with it? Why not simply wake up and realize that your position is indefensible and you really would have to redefine the whole species in order to make a rational argument.

I have already explained it. A zygote is an individual member of the species and not just so much human tissue.

Yes. Why do you believe the medical texts identify them as human beings rather than human?

any individual of the genus Homo, esp. a member of the species Homo sapiens

Since it is the definition, why would you want to use another definition in a court of law? It makes no sense. Suppose in your buisness transactions you bought a horse and had reason to sue and you get to court and find out that the court doesn't consider your horse to be a horse?

Human beings are what they are. Human being is a scientific term that wouldn't be found in a legal dictionary. Person is a legal term, used in legal writings and pleadings to describe a human being.

I asked you where it stated that they weren't? Zygotes are, however human beings. I have substantiated that argument and you have yet to provide any credible material to rebutt it and in the eyes of the law, human being and person are interchangable terms which I have also substantiated. So far, I have not made a point that I am unable to substantiate while you have not made a point that you can substantiate. This isn't going well for you.

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As I said read the wikipedia article: Human - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I could for example use this as part of my definition of what a human actually is. Anything here is something present in humans and it clearly separates humans from other things. A "human" without a brain clear doesn't fit anything here just like a blade of grass doesn't fit anything here.

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Where does liberalism say people should have to depend on other people to be happy? And what would society be if we didn't depend on other people to make us happy? Nothing like it is today.

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My feelings aren't relevant - it was you who offered up the mushy display of sentimentality that would make Hallmark proud. If your opinion is "fuck namecalling" and "I don't give a shit about feelings", why am I being treated to emotion laden rants about "empathy" and namecalling? Save it for your afternoon viewing of Dr. Phil and try practicing what you preach. If I wanted this kind of 'discussion' I'd forget a girlfriend's birthday or something.

I believe you called me a 'sociopath' but that doesn't hurt my feelings. I just don't find it interesting. You had nothing worthwhile to say, so instead, you called me a name and treated the board to some whining about empathy or whatever you were on about during that Oxygen channel moment you had earlier.

Forgive me if I don't take your assessment of who is and who is not a liberal very seriously after you treated me earlier to several posts where you expressed a desire for America to be a socialist nation.

This is just nonsense. Take a few deep breaths and gather your thoughts. Do you have any thoughts on what we were originally discussing, which was whether or not abortion is "murder" as a "legal argument"?

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My point is being ethical has nothing to do with politics or religion. I dont have to be taught to not kill people.


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Bullshit I would have called you a sociopath directly if I thought you were. Dont try to turn this around on me and make me the villian... when I talk about feelings this is what I'm talking about. not only this but thinking your the victim all the time when your hardly.



Right lol.... I'm a socialist but a capitalist.


You need to learn the Ten Commandments and then you will understand but I'm quite sure you would melt at the sight of a Bible.

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You own a written rule book of progressive libralism?

People make people happy because it makes people happy.


Am I an asshole you think?

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Sure you do. If you'd been born in a different time and place, you would have been taught that killing people was acceptable. Throughout a lot of recorded human history, killing your wife was not too big of a deal in manysocieties.

You mean, like this:

And, I don't think that you're a villain. People usually resort to name calling (and comical denials of their own actions) when they have nothing worthwhile to say. So, I don't think you're a villain. To be honest, watching you attempt to debate inspires pity more than anything else.

I don't think you really know exactly what system your beliefs fall into. But, believing that jobs "belong" to people and believing that the role of the government is to make sure unskilled laborers have a wage that they like is certainly nothing resembling capitalism. Going by your statements in that thread, I would say that you're a socialist instead of a capitalist, rather than suffering from the cognitive dissonance of trying to be both.

Melt? I've actually read the Bible, which I'm willing to wager puts me one up on you. It's an interesting book filled with some useful lessons, some tales of a rather sadistic deity (Old Testament), some nonsense (Revelations), and some dry parts. I'd imagine you could learn a lot from reading it, were you to bother.

But, while we're on the subject, why don't you thumb to the page in your Bible that says anything about abortion. And, before you try to guess which commandment says something about killing, have a read of this:

If I didn't know better, I'd think the Bible was telling me that men only possess a soul upon breathing. Perhaps the Bible needs to read the Bible to learn about your take on abortion! Perhaps you could point both the Bible and myself to the section about abortion.

...but I won't be holding my breath

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For anyone else curious about where the Bible addresses abortion, this is a particularly interesting passage:

To be clear here, the Bible says that a man who assaults a pregnant woman need only pay the husband a fine. That is, if you're in the mood for someone to abort, punch a pregnant woman, pay her husband a fine for the loss of property, and go on your merry way. If a woman or the husband want to abort, this is clearly perfectly acceptable as paying a fine to yourself is a wash.

Stupid liberal Bible, not valuing the sanctity of unborn life! Why even American abortion law is hasher than the Bible. At least women here are required to go to the doctor and men beating up pregnant women could be charged with murder instead of ordered to pay a fine! The Bible is going to hell if it keeps up like this!

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At this point, I have to give a nod to Pale Rider who, though I disagree with many of his arguments, I seem to recall never makes silly arguments about abortion based on the Bible.

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I agree..... It still goes on today along with fathers trading there daughters for sheep to eat.

Still doesnt mean jack tho buddy.... This is the US not Africa or South America.


cant see my comment or your response to is so...




I see the world for what it is and you "pitty" me, thats pretty astounding. Why you pitty me for? dont know me do ya?





You sir have folded into a political system.. The only questions you ask are the ones your told to ask..

You think choosing who to help because of skin color or whatever will make you a better person?

Why dont you try helping people who need help?

I'm not well to do and most likely have less money then you so give me some money fucker....why not?

I'm 28 years old and I passed the college entry test or whatever the shit is and was accpted at community college but the catch is Im not black so I dont get student aid ...

However Fox news isnt fair and balanced.......

Why?

libralism caused it so keep it shut homie...



Melt? I've actually read the Bible, which I'm willing to wager puts me one up on you. It's an interesting book filled with some useful lessons, some tales of a rather sadistic deity (Old Testament), some nonsense (Revelations), and some dry parts. I'd imagine you could learn a lot from reading it, were you to bother.

But, while we're on the subject, why don't you thumb to the page in your Bible that says anything about abortion. And, before you try to guess which commandment says something about killing, have a read of this:



If I didn't know better, I'd think the Bible was telling me that men only possess a soul upon breathing. Perhaps the Bible needs to read the Bible to learn about your take on abortion! Perhaps you could point both the Bible and myself to the section about abortion.

...but I won't be holding my breath [/quote]

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