well this thread certainly went to hell.
so...we have a movement dedicated to changing sex on children??.....whoo boy

Kids these days, with their myspace and rap music and sex changes...

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What "movement?"

Why is the recognition of problems that have been occurring for as long as the species has been around suddenly a "movement?"

If this is biochemically based, which it appears to be, gender identity problems are not anyone's fault. They are not the result of "perversion," nor are they the result of someone's converting them to a cause.

It seems to me that it's a good thing that children who have a physical disability (and I would call neurochemical problems disabilities) are getting the help that they need, instead of being punished and ostracized for symptoms that are out of their control.

Did anyone miss the comment that these kids often attempt suicide? Is that somehow a better outcome?

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This makes no sense at all.

Homosexuals are people who feel comfortable with the gender that they are, but feel sexually attracted to people of that same gender.

Transsexuals suffer from the feeling that they are trapped within a body that isn't theirs.

How are those the same?

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All I can say is this, if you are born a male, you are a male. If you are born a female then you are a female. It has nothing to do with what you may feel that you are and everything to do with the actual facts of your body. There may be a need to address certain cases when a person is born with both male and female parts but other than that a person should accept who they are regardless of their feelings. It's not like it's wrong to be either male or female. Anyone who says it is is clearly telling lies.

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Those who argue for complete secularism are funny. They see what government does and then argue that we don't need it to start with prayer.

You know The Who song 'I'm a boy?'

Anyways, basically a child should not have this operation until they reach the age of consent-and can decide they know what they want to be, and what there sexual identity is. If at that age they want to change sex they can, just as they can be straight or homosexual.

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What business is it of yours what people 'accept' about their bodies? We don't generally 'accept' facial hair on men, armpit hair on women, obesity, etc and there aren't any moral imperatives about these things (except conservative Jews and facial hair)

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The children or the victims, not willing participants. The thread will continue.

Here in Florida the parents of a preschooler were in controversy over dressing there 5 year old boy as a little girl: Tolerance.org: See Tom Be Jane
Same normalization movement, slanted artical.

It’s not only “the little boys life being expendable” to these appalling people, it effects the preschool, community and news reports abroad that impact Americas integrity and honor (Russia, China, N. Korea and now the middle east show propaganda tapes of homosexual parades and riots to example the breakdown of civilization in the United States of America and why they need to cleans the earth of our presence.).

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Only a liberal would know how hard it is to get a nicotine patch to stick to a monkey.

Why do liberals always feel the need to give in to terrorist demands?

(sorry for stealing your thing, goodtrips)

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"Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

Sorry, we do? I don't think I've never advocated that, and I havn't seen Liberals doing that either.

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There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare. - Art of War, Sun-Tzu, Chapter 2, Paragraph 6

"An eye for an eye makes everyone blind"-Gandi

The comment was made in jest. Conservatives often accuse Liberals of giving into terrorist demands, and here we have conservative Hank saying we need to get rid of 'moral decay' in order to get the terrorists to stop hating us.

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"Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

My statements were ultimately what I feel is the ideal, what we should pursue as the standard if you will. I do not know if it would or wouldn't be constitutionally defensible to outlaw sex changes except in the case I listed above (although I favor such an approach). I do know that as a society lowers its morals and standards that society also loses freedom and prosperity. It concerns me that our society is headed in the direction it is and I feel the need to speak out against such things. I do not feel that that is incorrect as what affect our society must affect me as well.

Secondly, what about my questions? Is there anything wrong with being male/female? If the answer is that there is nothing wrong with it then why should a person not accept who they are?

In the cases of beards, obesity, etc. I think that if things are not morally wrong then people shouldn't worry so much about it.

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Those who argue for complete secularism are funny. They see what government does and then argue that we don't need it to start with prayer.

You're absolutely right. Sex change operations truly show that this nation is in extreme moral decay. I wish we could go back to the good ol' days of segregation, lynch mobs, Japanese internment camps, keeping women in the kitchen, firebombing civilian cities, testing atomic bombs left and right, waring between the states, McCarthyism, giving small pox blankets to Indians, lobotomizing the mentally disabled, etc.

Good times, good times.

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"Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics

Where did you dig up the argument that I said we should all go back to the way things were 100 years ago or something? I think you might need to reread what I said. I stated that we need society to be moral.

By the by, even if I had stated that we should be more like we were in the past your argument here would be false. 1. I was speaking about a specific topic, not things in general. 2. Implying a claim that just because one bad thing happened in the past that means that all things that occurred in the past must be bad is a logic fallacy. 3. You can't deny that a lot of what occurred in the past was good. Yes, some was bad but I think that we would be hard pressed to find a time in the history of this planet where bad did not exist.

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Those who argue for complete secularism are funny. They see what government does and then argue that we don't need it to start with prayer.

I'll admit, my response was a bit off the target. However, the main point of it remains, as far as this part of your post is concerned:

I'm just trying to figure out how you gauge a society lowering it's morals. One could easily use the topics I brought up in my previous post to show that our society is at it's current state, the most 'moral' it's ever been.

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"Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first on my to-do list"
-Gnarls Barkley, "Going On" lyrics