The relevant issue is whether a transgendered person has--for all practical purposes--a real choice as to whether he/she decides to become transgendered.

If the constraints imposed on that person by both his/her own psychological makeup and the rules of society are such that that person cannot live a decent life unless he/she changes gender, then there is no real choice--it's either "change your sex or die/be depressed your whole life."

i. e. at that point, it's clearly a psychiatric/medical issue.

But whether such constraints are real or imagined for a transgendered person is not entirely known. For example, let's say you were born a female in the 1412 in France and had your heart set on becoming a soldier for France. According to the rules of French society, at the time, this was not allowed.

So, according to those constraints, Jeanne d'Arc would've had to change her sex to male (or at least try to achieve that effect the best she could given the technonlogy of the day, which would've meant cutting her hair and dressing up like a man, and putting on something to hide her breasts).

Yet she didn't have to do that and became a soldier. So, in other words, the so-called constraints weren't really constraints.

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he has a real choice whether to have the surgery.
There is of course the option of seeking professional psychological assistance as you are obviously very fucked up.

I have sympathy for a person who has such a damaged psyche, but i do not believe society should enable their psychosis by making life any easier for them if they choose to modify their bodies.

Yes, it will be difficult for them to find the right bathroom while they are going through the process. Tough.
Yes it will be difficult for them as they lose their friends, their jobs, possibly their families. Too bad - its part of the healing process.

Is this a cold way of looking at it? Yes, it is. I make no apologies for it however. Life is hard and if you cannot adapt, that is YOUR problem.

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Not cold at all. Life is not fair. Accept that fact or live a life of cynicism, bitterness, and misery. And, that is a choice.

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Can’t, or unwilling?
It’s not exactly something that would take much convincing, the doctors themselves who are beginning to infest the area of pediatrics are known homo calibrators and speakers, just google some of these names and see what kind of sick fucks were talking about here: Pediatric Academic Societies' 2006 Annual Meeting Encourages Normalization Of Gender-Variant Children
They are rounding up children today the same way they organized homos in queer bars, porn theaters and public baths in the 1970’s.
Well, they have the same distinguishing characteristics.

These are homos with one post-op:





And this is pre-op:




They go to the same bars, parades, events, ect ect ect. There guys acting like chicks and guys acting like chicks with an operation and hormone therapy, What do you want for goodness sakes.
Cut me some slack, you’re the first person I ever corresponded with who even suggested such a thing.

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You do know that female hormones are piss right???

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Hank, if you'd just stop reading NewsOne, you wouldn't have problems with planted mindset and could live a healthy and normal life.

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sex change?if he like it,then do a operation in hospital.
I just interest in this: will you marry a woman(who was a man)?
PS:I THINK THIS IS A GOOD CHOICE FOR GAY GUYS

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Excuse me,who is in your avatar?i found he looks like Bush.but i remember the source picture is a pop star.who changed her sex?

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Well, something more than your ill-founded paranoia would be a good place to start...

Oh, I've no doubt about that.

You're acting as though there's some conspiracy afoot to grab out children and "turn them gay". Sorry, I don't see that at all, and you're doing a fantastically shitty job of convincing me...

I was of the mind that urine came from the bladder while estrogen is released from the ovaries.

Ovaries also happen to be the same place that the stork finds and steals the egg from so he can grow babies and drop them into yards.

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I remember watching a piece on Sixty Minutes about transgendered children, and I don't believe for a second eithor of them was confused about their sexuality.

In the piece, we met two children - a five year old boy, who felt he was a girl, and a 12 year old girl, who felt she was a boy.
It was not an issue of these children wanting to be the opposite sex, more that they felt that they were the wrong sex.

I recall reading somewhere that when gender is determined, at about 6 weeks gestation, something goes awry. Apparently, the body many develop as one sex, but the brain develops as the opposite sex. As it is easier to modify ones body, and impossible to modify the brain, we have such 'sex change' surgeries.

The five year old in question seemed quite sure of who he was. He was asked many times if he was a boy or a girl, and every time he answered the latter. His parents took him to a child psychologist, who diagnosed him as being 'transgender'. On his sixth birthday, he officially 'came out' as a female, wearing a one piece bathing suit at his birthday party.

The twelve year old transgender female, who believed she was a male, had been living as a male for a fair amount of time. I recall she explained how she had suffered through verbal and physical abuse at school for being 'different' - not for being transgendered - but for 'acting' like a male. She seemed quite confident in herself, and happy, as did the young boy.


I don't believe transgendered people are mentally ill, nor do I believe they are confused. I believe they were simply born the 'wrong' gender.

Of course, there is no proof to prove these claims, as well I know. Nor is there any proof that suggests these people are 'confused'. As I mentioned about sex being determined in the womb, we know that sex is determined at around the sixth week - in fact, in the womb, we all start out as female. It's only around week six that some embryos begin developing as males, and some continue to develop as females. This, I believe, is where the problem with transgenderism begins.
If this is the case, there is simply no cure, and as I have stated - it is much easier to modify ones body than ones brain.

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