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Ya "just like all of the other OP's of yours where you dig up some fringe nutball, cut and paste his ravings, and pepper it with "me-too" comments in red."

You're getting very good at being an ass aren't you ? The local community college offer a course you signed up for ?

"Is this one different than the other 754 threads you've started about how you don't approve of people being gay?"

Yes, we know you didn't read the writing. You don't have to prove it to us.

I'd say you're probably getting all A's in your class so far eh ?
I ran that through my font/color translator and it returned "You're right. My 755th thread against homosexuality is more or less the same as the other 754."

Although, I think the phrase "Is hating haters hateful?" might be special in its level of triteness, as compared to the other things you've cut-n-pasted for us.
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I'm not sure I totally understand the opening post. If only someone could copy and paste it again, then I would probably be able to grasp it's contents a little better.

I think it's about some guy who likes gay people and something about AIDS and hating things, but I just can't seem to fit it all together.
Yeah, something like that. This is far too complex for me, but I think a good rebuttal could be titled "Is loving lovers lovely?"
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I'm not a big fan, either. But "Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my!" is sort of a cultural staple. It's like me being familiar with the phrase "Show me the money!" even though I only watched that movie as a result of being on the business end of a hormonal girlfriend.
Hmm fair enough (though i've never seen the film), but still being on the end of a hormonal g/f negates the need for the "oh my" as there's no homosexuality involved right? And who says threads started by CT bring about no good discussion! (Its enlightened me on where famous sayings come from)! Incidently the only place i've heard the "Show me the money!" saying is from Shane and Vince McMahon.
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Is hating 'haters' hateful ?


THERE'S A DOUBLE STANDARD BEING USED IN THE PUBLIC DEBATE ON HOMOSEXUALITY

BY DR. SCOTT LIVELY

May 2008 AFA JOURNAL pg. 11

* My comments in red between stars. *

Hate has a pretty bad name in the world today. No one wants to be called a hater, especially Christians, which is probably why we get accused of it all the time by our opponents. Homosexuals are especially fond of calling people haters. They even invented the word homophobia, which means hate and fear of homosexuals, envisaged as a mental illness. (A phobia is an anxiety disorder.)

I hate being called a homophobe. It has such an ugly connotation. It's especially unpleasant because, as a Christian, I'm supposed to have a reputation for loving people, not hating them. So I've worked really hard over the years to try to get the homosexuals to stop calling me a homophobe. I've pointed out the difference between hating people and hating their behavior (loving the sinner but hating the sin). They hated that.

Then I tried "walking my talk" by taking an ex-gay man who was dying of AIDS into my family. My wife and I and our children loved and cared for him during the last year of his life. They hated that even more.

Then I began asking for guidance from homosexuals themselves. "Tell me, where is the line between homophobia and acceptable opposition to homosexuality?" I asked. "What if I just agree with the Bible that homosexuality is a sin no worse than any other sex outside marriage?"

"No, that's homophobic," they said.

"Suppose I talk only about the proven medical hazards of gay sex and try to discourage people from hurting themselves?"

"No, you can't do that,"
they said.

"How about if I say that homosexuals have the option to change if they choose?"

"Ridiculous,"
they answered.

* Of COURSE this is a truth they will deny. They don't want us to know that there are more EX "homosexuals" than there are "homosexuals." To recognize this fact is to admit that "homosexuality' is nothing but a perverse sexual practice. *

"Maybe I could just be completely positive, say nothing about homosexuality, and focus only on promoting the natural family and traditional marriage?"

"That's really hateful,"
they replied.

After awhile, I realized that the only way I could get them to stop calling me a homophobe was to start agreeing with them about everything. But here's my dilemma: I honestly believe the Bible, which says that homosexuality is wrong and harmful and that all sex belongs within marriage. I've also read the professional studies and know that gay sex hurts people because it goes against the design of their bodies. And I'm friends with a number of former homosexuals who are now married and living heterosexual lives. Do I have to give up my religion? Ignore scientific facts? Betray my friends? Is that the only way to avoid being called a hater and a homophobe?

* Which is why "homosexuals" are making such a ruckus about the wonders of atheism and saying any and EVERYTHING to make Christians seem evil. Which is why "homosexuals" fight FOR any issue concerning "separation of church and state." Which is why "homosexuals" want Americans to forget Americas history, that America was founded by Christians on Christian principles. *

There's no escape. A homophobe is anyone who, for any reason, disapproves of homosexuality in any way, shape, manner, form or degree. This leaves me with just two choices: agree that everything about homosexuality is natural, normal, healthy, moral and worthy to be celebrated or be labeled as a mentally ill, hate-filled bigot.

Am I wrong? Is there any way to openly disapprove of homosexuality without being a homophobe? Gay leaders, please set me straight on this.

* No, you're not wrong.

Accept "homosexuality" as natural, normal, healthy, moral and worthy to be celebrated or you will be called a mentally ill, hate-filled bigot.

No worries. Remember it's mentally ill, hate-filled bigots CALLING you these things. This is a common practice. True racist haters usually call OTHERS racist haters. *


Because if I'm right, that means the gay agenda is to stop everyone from following the Bible regarding sexual matters. It is, after all, their stated goal to "stamp out homophobia." No more religious freedom. It's also to suppress scientific research that has reached conclusions they don't like, especially if it helps people to change their homosexual orientation back to a heterosexual one. (Ask the doctors and scientists at NARTH Home Page what they've had to endure.) If it discourages homosexuality, even by implication, it's homophobic and can't be used.

* They do everything they can to suppress ANYTHING, ANYONE and any FACTS and history that shows "homosexuality" for what it is. *

There's a queer reasoning behind all of this. Homosexuals call me names like bigot and homophobe, condemn my religion, mock my rational conclusions about social issues, impugn my motives, display intense hostility toward my actions and curse my very existence, all under the justification that I'm a hater. But if I'm a hater for civilly opposing what they do, why aren't they haters for uncivilly opposing what I do? Such a double standard, in the context of a public debate on civil rights, is not just hypocritical, it is surreal.

* But not surprising considering the nature of the people it's coming from. *

I admit I have some hate. I hate watching people kill themselves with preventable diseases like AIDS. I hate seeing children being steered toward unhealthy lifestyles. I hate having my pro-family views distorted by dishonest journalists, politicians and academics. And I hate seeing my God being treated like a homophobe for what He teaches in His Bible.

So if you're not going to stop calling me a hater for wanting homosexuals to be saved and healed or for opposing their political agenda, let's at least see a little more of that famous "American sense of fair play" in the public debate on this issue. Hatred of haters is hateful, too.
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Hmm fair enough (though i've never seen the film), but still being on the end of a hormonal g/f negates the need for the "oh my" as there's no homosexuality involved right? And who says threads started by CT bring about no good discussion! (Its enlightened me on where famous sayings come from)! Incidently the only place i've heard the "Show me the money!" saying is from Shane and Vince McMahon.
I wouldn't say that. Why just this morning, I woke up and realized I wasn't sure whether or not CT might have revised his stance on disapproving of homosexuality in the last few days. Without these threads, I'd actually have to ask him, rather than having the convenience of it being reinforced like clockwork through the words of someone else.

And "Show me the money" is from that movie where Tom Cruise is a sports agent and Cuba Gooding Jr is a receiver. And, to my knowledge, there's no mention of homosexuality in that movie or in the Wizard of Oz, which seems to be populated with androgynous characters regardless.
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Re: Double standards in debate on homosexuality

Actually, the Wizard of Oz is a reflection of the negative impact that the gold standard had on midwestern farmers at the turn of the century.
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Actually, the Wizard of Oz is a reflection of the negative impact that the gold standard had on midwestern farmers at the turn of the century.
Since we're all scared shitless of the topic, I gotta say, so far THIS is the best off topic addition

Funny how we're all scared of these so called "gay" people though.

Hell, we're even scared to talk about the lies they're telling us about their perverted behaviours

What a buncha damn ninnies we've become.
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Actually, the Wizard of Oz is a reflection of the negative impact that the gold standard had on midwestern farmers at the turn of the century.
I just liked the flying monkeys...
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I just liked the flying monkeys...
Well, flying monkeys are fun.



I just know about the Wizard because we've been talking about the gold standard in one of my classes and the Wizard was discussed in sidebar in a text.


My brain has this ability to retain vast amounts of useless facts.
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And we continue celebrating our ignorance and desparate will to completely ignore the thread topic.

Interesting crew we have here.

Flood a thread with completely off topic posts. Christ we have MODS doing this shit. I guess the forum rules don't apply to these guys.

Double standards in debate on homosexuality

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Most of this bullshit is about ME for some reason. Derail the topic by discussiing the thread starter ? Interesting tactic.

4. Do not post off-topic. You cannot derail a thread with off topic posts.

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Great forum behaviour guys. Neato neato. I'm very impressed
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Oh goody, it's been a few months since we've had our last "gay is bad" thread ... and it's hardly surprising that Thane/Capt'n Trips has started the latest one (don't you have anything better to do than to worry about where my dick goes with my partner?) . If you're really that interested you can come and watch if you like.

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Then I began asking for guidance from homosexuals themselves. "Tell me, where is the line between homophobia and acceptable opposition to homosexuality?" I asked. "What if I just agree with the Bible that homosexuality is a sin no worse than any other sex outside marriage?"
I'm offering $100 to the first person who can point out where in The Bible homosexuality is referred to as a sin. IT'S NOT. To be pedantic, it's referred to as an abomination. On a related note, I'm curious why there are so many threads created about homosexuality, yet I never see any created about people who have affairs (a sin), people who take God's name in vain (a sin), etc? Why the focus on homosexuality? I think it's because sex is inordinately fascinating to people who may not be getting enough.

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[b]"Suppose I talk only about the proven medical hazards of gay sex and try to discourage people from hurting themselves?"
Oh pulease. The proven medial hazard? News flash: more people have died throughout history from Syphillis than from any other STD. Oh and guess what? This was spread by heterosexuals.

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[b]"How about if I say that homosexuals have the option to change if they choose?"
I have ALWAYS asked this, and I'll ask it of Trips again: I'm very interested in reading about your life, and at what point you chose to be heterosexual. What factors made you decide that you want to be heterosexual? Was it something you read; something you saw on tv? Why did you choose this? Clearly sexuality is a choice, and if so you must have chosen yours.

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* Of COURSE this is a truth they will deny. They don't want us to know that there are more EX "homosexuals" than there are "homosexuals." To recognize this fact is to admit that "homosexuality' is nothing but a perverse sexual practice. *
Now this is just blatant bullshit. Back it up with a scientific fact (and not one from some bullshit religious-themed ideological website please). Let me tell you about some the so-called "ex gay" processes. One of the more famous means of "gay cuure" is electro shock therapy. This is basically when someone (usually a man) is hooked up to electrodes (on his penis no less) and put in front of images of men, women and sexual images of both. When a naked man flahses up, his doodle is given a shock. Over time the brain learns to associate naked men with pain in the cock. News flash: this is not a "cure"; this is simply teaching the brain that penis=pain. The man is still gay, and will probably end up fucked for life. Still, as long as he then lives the life of a heterosexual and engages in numerous extra-marital affairs, then I suppose that's ok. We all know that it's ok (by religious standard - well it must be as I never hear any opposition to it) to fuck around on your wife or husband, provided you do it with a member of the opposite sex.

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"Maybe I could just be completely positive, say nothing about homosexuality, and focus only on promoting the natural family and traditional marriage?"


What is the traditional family, or traditional marriage? Do you mean the traditional family in the sense where in some societies it's acceptable for the husband to take multiple wives? Or do you mean the more modern nuclear family? What about single mothers? Clearly they don't meet the definition of the "traditional family". Therefore, why doesn't the state enact laws to deny the rights of all single parents to have custody of their children?

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But here's my dilemma: I honestly believe the Bible, which says that homosexuality is wrong and harmful and that all sex belongs within marriage. I've also read the professional studies and know that gay sex hurts people because it goes against the design of their bodies. And I'm friends with a number of former homosexuals who are now married and living heterosexual lives. Do I have to give up my religion? Ignore scientific facts? Betray my friends? Is that the only way to avoid being called a hater and a homophobe?
I'd hate for you to be mistaken for a hypocrite, so I'm just checking that you also don't eat seafood (as The Bible says its wrong); that you don't wear polyester clothes (as The Bible says its wrong); that you don't play football (as The Bible says its wrong); that you have NEVER worked on a Sunday (as The Bible says its wrong); etc etc etc. Of are you one of these people who selectively chooses which parts of The Bible to believe and adhere to, and ignore those parts that don't support your personal bigotry?

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* Which is why "homosexuals" are making such a ruckus about the wonders of atheism and saying any and EVERYTHING to make Christians seem evil. Which is why "homosexuals" fight FOR any issue concerning "separation of church and state." Which is why "homosexuals" want Americans to forget Americas history, that America was founded by Christians on Christian principles. *
Homosexuals don't need to do anything to promote the hypocrisy and evils of Christianity: you do a good enough job of that on your own. 50% of all Christian marriages end in divorce, yet you see homosexuality as the greatest threat to marriage (with divorce rates like that, I'd say heterosexuals are their own biggest threat). Churches are more interested in covering up issues and allegations of abuse than solving the problems. Oh, and (tongue-in-cheek) I find it somewhat difficult to take seriously a man wearing a dress (a priest) telling me that it's not ok to be gay ... especially when there's a better than average chance that he's fucked a few altar boys in his time anyway.

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Accept "homosexuality" as natural, normal, healthy, moral and worthy to be celebrated or you will be called a mentally ill, hate-filled bigot.
Because you are.

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No worries. Remember it's mentally ill, hate-filled bigots CALLING you these things. This is a common practice. True racist haters usually call OTHERS racist haters. *[/color]


Ah, see now Trips you've come undone. What you've just said is against all scientific and medical evidence. There is not a single Psychological Association on the planet which says that homosexuality is a mental illness. I know you always thought you were brighter than everyone else, but to support the notion that it is a mental illness simply proves that it is not homosexuals that have an illness...

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Because if I'm right, that means the gay agenda is to stop everyone from following the Bible regarding sexual matters. It is, after all, their stated goal to "stamp out homophobia." No more religious freedom. It's also to suppress scientific research that has reached conclusions they don't like, especially if it helps people to change their homosexual orientation back to a heterosexual one. (Ask the doctors and scientists at NARTH Home Page what they've had to endure.) If it discourages homosexuality, even by implication, it's homophobic and can't be used.
I knew we'd have to get to the "agenda" part at some point. What I find most interesting is that as a gay man I have NEVER received a copy of the minutes from the gay agenda group; I have never been invited to a meeting where we plot world domination; I have never seen an advertising flyers; etc. What I DO find interesting is that it is homophobic heterosexuals like yourself that seem to be the only people on the mailing list of the gay agenda group. Would you mind sharing with us the latest minutes, as I need some direction in my life and I suppose that as a gay man I should be working with the sistahood to conquer the world, and thus I need to know what it is I should be doing. You clearly know after all....

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I admit I have some hate. I hate watching people kill themselves with preventable diseases like AIDS. I hate seeing children being steered toward unhealthy lifestyles.


I didn't realise that only homosexuals got HIV/AIDS. Wow, I guess I learned something today. I guess all of those millions of people who falsely claimed they were heterosexuals who contracted HIV/AIDS must have done so to try and avoid some of the hate as espoused in this thread.

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So if you're not going to stop calling me a hater for wanting homosexuals to be saved and healed or for opposing their political agenda, let's at least see a little more of that famous "American sense of fair play" in the public debate on this issue. Hatred of haters is hateful, too.
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Yes it is, but that won't stop me here: YOU ARE A BIGOTED HATER. (Hey, you asked me to call you one ).

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Grown men in tights hitting each other with chairs, according to a script... not so much my thing.
Oh but it's mine . I must admit that I'm a big kid at heart, and love watching the WWE. My sister and I used to love the old WWF when we were kids in the late 80s. It was better back then (I guess because we were younger it was more believeable, LOL .... and it was more "innocent").
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And we continue celebrating our ignorance and desparate will to completely ignore the thread topic.

Interesting crew we have here.

Flood a thread with completely off topic posts. Christ we have MODS doing this shit. I guess the forum rules don't apply to these guys.