Don't include me in on your "we" because I've never thought it was okay for illegals to work here. And I have no problem with the thought of shipping them back to wherever they came from, though I understand from a practical point, it's almost impossible to do. Still doesn't keep me from wishing it was possible though.

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The US would collapse if the illegals left??? Dream on!
Why should we make it easy for them to come in? We have enough people here on welfare that could work if we made them earn their free checks. We DON'T need illegals to survive. All they do is clog up the system and use our tax dollars though they don't contribute to it. Many of the ones in my area are driving without insurance so when they hit someone's vehicle (like my daughter-in-law's), the innocent party has to make a claim on their own insurance. They walk into our local hospitals and get free care while those of us with insurance pay high monthly premiums in order to receive the same care. It's bullshit and I'm pissed that the government does absolutely nothing to control it.

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That's one of many bits of utter nonsense that too many of us beleive about this.

Again, this is why I say they (those in "the govt.") are all scumbags. They're rotten, corrupt and scummy to the core.

The U.S. wouldn't "collapse," but there would be problems. If the illegals weren't meeting a labor need, the government would enforce immigration laws and they wouldn't be here.

Focusing on how nicey-nice governments and communities are being to the illegals is paying attention to the wrong end of the problem. The problem is not that we are making it easy on illegals to come here. It's that the federal government is deliberately setting our immigration quotas too low, and then looking the other way when people come here illegally. Fix that end of the problem, and the whole thing disappears. Raise the immigration quotas to something realistic in terms of labor needs, and then strictly enforce those quotas. That's what needs to be done.

We need to focus on the legal citizens of this country first. Screw the illegals! We've got senior citizens unable to pay for their medication. We've got children being born to crackhead mothers who can't or won't take care of them. We've got government owned hospitals that care for our military in ill-repair. I could go on and on but I won't. But on the flip side, we're giving away money hand over fist to some junkie that has ten kids and doesn't work. We've got dead beat dads not taking care of their children and we the taxpayers end up paying. Put those people out in the fields or in other jobs that "Americans won't do". Make them EARN their welfare checks!
As for raising immigration quotas, why???? We can't take care of the people we have here already so why bring in more????

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I'm hoping that one of the three remaining candidates starts talking about their immigration plans soon. Right now, I won't be voting for any of them...

And we've got a shitload of people in PRISON that would LOVE to get their asses outside and do nearly ANYTHING. Including picking our veggies and fruits. Of course they'd be under observation, but wouldn't this be cheaper labor than paying for all the problems caused by allowing illegal immigration ?

Shit, lets stop CALLING it "Illegal" immigration. It's NOT. It's "economically encouraged undocumented workers" is what it is.

Not only the prison system could we benefit from putting to work for us but the WELFARE system TOO. And of course the transients that might be willing to get out and perform some actual work. Give THEM that option and people on the roads would stop pulling over to give these creeps holding "will work for food" signs money. - some of these assholes make good $$ standing there. We "feel bad" for them and they play it to the max.

Just an idea or three :-)

I'm with ya. Talk about an uninspiring crew of dimbulbs and liars trying to get in the whitehouse.

Godalmighty.

I'm definitely with you on making inmates work. Teach them a trade or something...there's a lot to be said for rehabilitation! I also agree with the transients...put them to work and if they choose not to work, arrest them when they're caught panhandling. If they're unable to work due to a true disability, then get them off the streets into a comfortable environment. We could easily afford this if we'd just quit giving out welfare checks to non-working people.
We need to quit making it easy for illegals to find jobs by sweeping factories, restaurants, etc. and shutting down those that fail to comply with the law. The employers are just as much criminals as the illegals are so we've got to treat them as such. But you're right, our government encourages the use of slave labor by looking the other way. It pisses me off that the illegals can work for $5/hour, live on top of each other in houses or apartments and send the majority of their money home. They put far less into the economy than send home and some want to encourage us to bring more of the here???!!!!
When America can take care of her own, then I may rethink my position on illegals but until then, SHUT THE BORDERS!!!

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A good number of which includes illegals BTW.

Yes, well try telling these things to the farm animals that supposedly run America

They'll turn a deaf ear as they always HAVE. I don't expect this to change.

EVER.

Without something extremely drastic first happening.

But screwing the illegals is exactly what we're doing, Mrs. M. That's what I'm saying. This whole policy, this under-the-table immigration our government is permitting without officially permitting it, is designed to screw the illegals. We're not coddling these people. Just the opposite!

Who says we can't? There's a big difference between "can't" and "won't."

The problem isn't a lack of resources, it's an insistence by our government on serving the rich instead of the rest of us, be it through corporate subsidies, deficit bait-and-switch, or wars of conquest. That's not a failure of ability but of political will. Our politics has become a corrupt servitor of corporate interests, and that is the source of virtually every problem this country faces, definitely including the problem of illegal immigration. AND senior citizens unable to afford their medication, AND children without health coverage, and failing schools and so on and so on.

Why raise immigration quotas? Because these are jobs that need doing, and because the employment problem in America at this time isn't a lack of jobs or high unemployment, it's declining real wages. We're not in a situation where there are lots of unemployed U.S. citizens and the wetbacks are taking their jobs. These jobs will either be done by legal immigrants or by illegal immigrants. Which is better?

Like you say: Our politics has become a corrupt servitor of corporate interests, and that is the source of virtually every problem this country faces, definitely ....

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These people, these politicians we have today are just as bad as the corrupt, scumbag idiots in the story above.

No common sense. They don't care if we all live in shit. Shit that they're unwilling to clean up. Shit that they encourage us to continue building UP and living in/with.

And we DO it. We're dumb TOO. We "hold our noses" and LIVE in/with it every day.

We're not coddling the illegals???? We coddle them by allowing them to stay here. We coddle them by allowing them to use OUR tax dollars to send their children to school. We coddle them by giving them free medical care on OUR dime. We coddle them by giving them welfare again, on OUR tax dollars.

As for illegals not taking our jobs, I beg to differ. They were hired to replace my son and other American citizens who was laid off after Katrina. They were hired by the thousands by unscrupulous contractors to be roofers, framers, etc. instead of the local residents who lost their jobs due to the storm. These were jobs many locals would have gladly taken but since the contractors wanted slave labor, they went with the Hispanics. Almost three years later, in a struggling economy, many locals have had to move out of state to find work, some have lost their homes first to the storm and then to the mortgage company. What makes it even worse is watching the Hispanics up on a rooftop knowing that local roofers are losing those jobs to scumbags from out of state willing to do slipshod work with cheap labor. I watched the Hispanics on my neighbor's rooftop and knew the work was poor. Sure enough, the next heavy rain showed just how poor...there were several leaks in his house and the roofer was no where to be found. Yes, I blame the neighbor for not checking the credentials of the roofer and for allowing the Hispanics to do the work but I also blame the money grubbing contractor for taking advantage of these elderly people. One of the first questions that I asked a contractor was "do you hire illegals?" None said yes, but I pressed further and made sure that only non-Hispanics would be doing the work. Why? Because I've seen enough fake ID's from working in the bar to know that many that claim to be legal, aren't.

As for looking out for our own, can't or won't really makes no difference. We don't do it and that's the bottom line. Yet, we keep electing the same politicians who are afraid of losing a voting bloc by cracking down on illegal immigration, the same ones who continue to give undeserving people welfare, the same ones that sit in their mansions oblivious to the little people. It's time for everyone to say that we're fed up with our government of the people, for the people, and make them do the job we hired them to do. They work for we the people and yet, we've lost our voice!

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That's not coddling them. It's coddling their employers.

Here's what you seem to be missing in my argument above: This policy is not an oversight. It is deliberate on the part of the government. The federal government doesn't just fail to keep the illegals out, it fails ON PURPOSE. The entire idea is to have an underclass of workers without any legal protections that can be exploited by American corporations who benefit from the cheap labor.

That's why our immigration quotas are set unrealistically low, lower than our labor needs would call for. That's why the INS fails to properly guard the borders and keep illegals from entering.

When you talk about "coddling," you're comparing letting the illegals be here with making them stay out or deporting them, but you don't seem to understand that deporting them isn't an option. We actually do need the labor, otherwise there wouldn't be jobs here for them and they wouldn't come. So the real comparison to make is between letting the illegals be here illegally, and letting them be here legally. And by that comparison, they are NOT being coddled.

It is NOT coddling to make people work for substandard wages when they could be paid better. It is NOT coddling to make people knuckle under to the demands of employers, however unreasonable, without a legal leg to stand on because they're breaking the law to start with.

Well, that just makes the whole practice even worse, but what you describe isn't typical. I live in California, which probably has more illegal immigrants than any other state in the country, and I know that most of the jobs they take would otherwise be taken by legal immigrants rather than illegal ones.

And I will add this. If the quotas for immigration were raised, and at the same time strictly enforced, do you think the competition would be as severe? Do you think your son's job could as easily have been taken by a legal immigrant whose legal rights would have to be recognized, as by an illegal who could be treated like a rented slave?

Oh, but it does! If we really, truly couldn't, then it would be excusable. But we can and we won't, and so the anger is fully justifiable.

Just make sure it's directed at the right target, is all.

LOL If you don't think giving free schooling, free medical care, welfare checks, etc. to illegals is coddling them then we obviously we have different definitions of coddling.
I didn't miss your argument that the policy is not an oversight...I stated as much when I said that our politicians were afraid of losing a voting bloc. And of course they love the fact they can appease employers by turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to the unlawful practice of hiring illegals.
To illegals, even living 20 to a room is probably a step up from what they came from so other than being separated from their families, they don't have it so bad. If they did, they wouldn't stay here.
If the people in CA are too lazy or too uppity to do the jobs that illegals do, then send someone to Louisiana to pick up some more slave labor. The locals don't want them here and they're not the ones hiring them so y'all are welcome to them.
If illegal immigration was cracked down on, the job my son's job would have been safe. He was getting paid $20/hour until the day the city was invaded by Hispanics and everything changed. You see, before the storm, Hispanics accounted for 2.7% of the population of my city. Jobs that people claimed American citizens wouldn't do were actually being done by American citizens. Since the storm, I'd estimated that about 8-10% of the population is Hispanic. Pre-Katrina, an interpreter was needed maybe once a month at the police station while post Katrina, more interpreters have been added because they're needed three or four times a week. It's disgusting!
I check ID's of all Hispanics when they enter the bar because the law states that no matter what age you are, you must have a valid ID to even be in a bar. Nine out of 10 of them have no US issued ID's and I turn them out. It's not out of hatred but rather because I'm not going to jail over someone with a fake ID. The Hispanics also tend to cause trouble in our bar and we don't allow groups of them in at one time. If two or three want to come in and shoot a game of pool and they have a valid ID, no problem. If six want to come in, especially when I'm there alone, I won't let them stay. Though I don't have to have a reason to make them leave, when six walk through the door, you can't bet your sweet ass that at least four of them won't have the proper ID.
My anger is directed mostly at the government but I can't overlook the fact that the illegals are criminals also. And to have to put up with them on a daily basis pisses me off so I'm serious, if CA needs more illegals, send a few buses and I'll round them up for you because we're ready for them to leave!

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