So children shouldn't be educated because you dislike their parents? What about the unemployed Americans who take welfare and free healthcare on YOUR dime? Believe it or not, immigrants do NOT get a cushy deal. They do not immigrate because of the wonderful perks they get. They do so because they want a better life and they're willing to work hard for it.

Overall, this post is very confusing. So ALL immigrants are similtaneously taking your jobs, including that of your son, AND raping welfare?

Make these illegals legal - with all the corresponding privileges - and many of the economic factors making them more desireable to hire would disappear.

No, they shouldn't be educated (well, not here, anyway), because they're here illegally.

You're absolutely right; those people are a problem. That problem, however, need not be compounded by us also having to take care of illegals...

Well, they're sure not coming here to get a shitty deal...

If they're willing to work hard, then let that hard work begin by coming into our country legally. I have the utmost respect for someone who'll take themself out of a shitty situation in another country, who'll go through the proper channels to come here legally, and then work to give themself and their family a better life. We should welcome those people. I think one of the reasons we're such a great nation is because of those people.

Those who enter our country by riding across the border in the trunk of a car, though, are not "those people". They're criminals...

Put armed troops along the border, let them cut down a dozen or so illegal scumbags illegally crossing our border; let the word will get out among would-be illegal scumbags that there's a good chance they'll die within 15 feet of the border, and the problem will disappear, as well...

I don't care if their children get educated in their own country, I just don't want to pay for it.
If you had read my earlier posts, you would know that I think able bodied Americans on welfare should be force to work if they wish to receive government monies.
Illegals know that when they come here, they get the perks. Why do you think pregnant women come across the border to have their children????
Sorry if my posts are confusing to you. I thought I was rather clear in what I wrote.
Making the illegals legal is nothing more than rewarding them for being criminals and will encourage even more of them to come. Just what I want in my city, a bunch more criminals that can't speak English.

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Though I don't support our current stance on illegal immigration and think laws need to be altered, this is an interesting opportunity to play Devil's Advocate. I don't care if my (citizen) neighbor's children get educated - I just don't want to pay for it. Why should I pay for other people's children, citizens or not, to become educated?

The argument for this generally goes that educated people tend to be productive and not become eventual drains on society. This, rather than any particular enforced altruism is why I should pay for your children's education. However, I see no distinction between citizens, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants in this vein. With all of them, my tax dollars are being sucked away with no more appreciable benefit than this vague assurance that I won't need to give them even more of my money later. What do I care what language their parents speak or what country they come from when the government has its hand in my pocket either way?

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(1) So you don't want to pay for the education of people who are legally Americans because you dislike their parents?

(2) Sounds reasonable.

(3) Many, NOT all, women do so because they know that if someone is born in the USA they are automatically a citizen. They do so because they don't want their children to be deported. That's good parenting. They don't get "perks".

(4) In post 39, you first wrote that immigrants are taking from your country's welfare and health system. You then wrote that they are "stealing" jobs. Which is it? That's what I found so confusing.

LOL I can always count on you to play Devil's Advocate! I truly understand what you're saying but my point is that when the criminals enter this country illegally, we seem to be rewarding them instead of punishing them. If we didn't offer free schooling, free medical care, welfare checks, etc., would it be as attractive for them to be here? Sure some would come just to work, but would they want to bring their families if they knew that their kids couldn't go to school or that they'd have to pay for medical care?
Our schools are in peril now and to have to add special classes for non-English speaking students only takes away from precious resources that could used for legal American citizens. In too many places, we're pushing students out of school that can barely read because they've been overlooked by the system for 12 or so years. My son quit high school because of his ADHD problems and a school system that didn't know how to deal with it. He's not stupid by a long shot (most ADHD kids aren't) but no matter how many visits I made to the school, he was still unable to get the proper help. Thankfully, at 27, he's working on his GED but that doesn't make up for the years of low self-esteem that he experienced because he couldn't learn like other children. If resources used to accommodate illegals' children were used to educate our own, maybe my son would have graduated with his classmates.
My grandson attended school for awhile in Webster, TX and was learning Spanish while he was there. I'm all for kids learning a second language but I'd much rather that they were able to choose what language they'd like to learn. Living here in Louisiana, I would love to have taken a course in Cajun French in high school, but it wasn't offered so I didn't take any foreign language classes.
As for your tax dollars being used to pay for the schooling of others' children, I truly understand what you're saying. I have no kids in school either and yet, my tax dollars are still paying for others. Many won't see Social Security and yet, they're paying for it today. Food stamps, welfare checks, Medicaid, etc. are something many of us will never use but we're paying for it. I don't like it but since it's something that we have to do anyway, I'd rather those things be used ONLY for legal citizens.

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thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride!'"

Exactly. The real issue is bigger than the US; it's the large discrepancy in wealth and standard of living between the US and the contries that people come here from. As long as that discrepancy exists, people will cross the border; we can't realistically make it completely non-permiable.
I really don't see a solution originating solely within the US, since the problem is, at it's root, an international issue.

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1) Not all children in our school system are American citizens.

2) Of course.

3) Umm, don't think you quite understand this. When an illegal comes across the border to have her baby, that child is a automatically a citizen, with all the perks of being a citizen. They're eligible for free schooling and free medical care at the taxpayer's expense.
Your statement of "They do so because they don't want their children to be deported" makes absolutely no sense.

4) Again, you've no clue. Illegals do take jobs that Americans could be doing but they do so at a fraction of the cost of hiring legal citizens. If they have a family living here, the wages aren't enough to cover living expenses so they suck up the welfare and free health care. Hospitals in border states are suffering from the billions of dollars that illegals cost them and yet, we continue to allow illegals to come. I'm more than happy to render emergency care to those that need it, but they should be returned home once they're well and by home, I mean the country from which they came. We should do away with the "anchor baby" as it encourages women to risk their lives and that of their unborn child's to wait until the ninth month and come here so the child can be born a citizen.

I would suggest that you read up on the problems caused by illegal immigration in the US before posting in this thread again because you obviously don't understand it.

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thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming 'WOO HOO, what a ride!'"

Cut 'em down at the border, and the problem goes away.

Okay, I know many of you believe that to be a bit extreme, so I'll offer another solution.

This happened here in San Diego County the day before yesterday, I believe: Illegal Scumbags in Secret Compartment.

When Border Patrol agents first noticed footprints leading up to the truck, they inspected the rig and found the illegals. I think it should be a standing policy that such vehicles are inspected only at 4:00pm. This way, a truck is able to spend a full day baking in the sun. Any illegal that lives is sent back to wherever he came from, to share his tale of woe.

The smugglers need to be dealt with, as well. They go out of their way to not only elude Border Patrol agents, but to kill them: Booby Traps. Accordingly, anyone who's a smuggler should be treated as a definite deadly threat, and dealt with accordingly...

Yes, clearly the murder of other humans is the perfect solution!


Maybe we should torture them to death and mount their heads on stakes along the border!

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You know who you are.

Hey, whatever blows your skirt up; that'd certainly get the message across, don't you think?

But I never said anyoone should be murdered. Thanks, once again, for making a feeble attempt to put words in my mouth.

If they're shot while they're committing a crime, I'll likely shed few tears for them...

Shooting them for the "crime" of being on the wrong side of an unclear manmade line in the desert sure seems like to murder to me.

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You know who you are.

They wouldn't be shot for being on the wrong side. They'd be shot for the crime of illegally crossing our border. Sugar-coat it all you want; it's still a crime, and it needs to be dealt with. The way it's been dealt with, thus far, has been ineffective.

Also, when smugglers go out of their way to set up booby traps to kill our Border Patrol agents, well, we need to up the ante...

How does shooting civilians have anything to do with smugglers?

I agree that the immigration issue needs better solutions. I disagree that killing people is the solution.

It does seem to be a favorite "solution" of yours, though.

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You know who you are.

Well, all I've done is make the suggestion. The smugglers and illegal scumbags have put it into practice. They're trying to kill border agents.

So, yes, I support and advocate the use of deadly force at the border. That would be in direct response to the deadly force being used by the scumbags.

Why is that wrong?