Damn, it's getting deep in here.

You guys enjoy your time together. Just remember, it's the Illuminati who control everything.

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You are the only one who is talking about the Illuminati.

Another typical response from someone who is too lazy to read a few pages of information.

Thanks for being consistent.

I am not even talking about people on the internet. I know I will rarely change anyone's mind at a discussion forum. All I can hope is that I can stimulate a person's interest enough so that they are motivated to do their own research.

I talk to a lot of people on a weekly basis. While I do not talk about politics or social issues much anymore, I used to and it was very frustrating having people parrot back mass media sound bites to me.

A good example was the assault weapon ban. When I would talk to people about how rarely an assault weapon is used in a crime and then talk about the 2nd amendment, people would say one of two things almost every time.

1) The founding fathers never could have imagined assault rifles

2) Yeah, but the constitution was written 200 years ago

Both replies are nothing more than parroting back what they heard in the mass media. So flipping frustrating.

I do have a glimmer of hope though, as I have found that young people, those in high school, or just starting college, are much more open to the truth. These young people who have grown up on the internet seem to be much more open minded than any college graduate, or professional person.

I only hope this trend continues for new generations. The internet is our only hope of changing people's perceptions. It is our only hope for spreading the truth.

You would think that the American people would be alarmed that only 6 corporations control 90% of the mass media, but few people seem to care.

I guess freedom of the press isn't that important to the American sheeple.

Or, maybe it's the ability to think critically that is developed as one gains education that you find so frustrating. Instead of accepting innuendo and half-truths from self-referencing "sources," the people ask for more. Something based in reality.

Most of what you read on the internet is not true. Wishing harder doesn't make it so.

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

Yeah, I know, you wish to dismiss the words of two people who were selected to be in charge of a Congressional investigative committee, therefore allowing you to continue to be lazy and not have to bother reading what they said.

The internet is just a library. The largest library in the world, but just a library. Much like a library, the net is full of truth, half truths, lies, mistakes, speculation and opinions.

Much like doing research in a library, a good internet researcher will verify their sources.

In 1921 FDR wrote his adviser Col. House, and said.............

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson...." [15]

Now, go ahead and try to find that entire letter on the internet. It doesn't exist on the net.

Dr. Stanley Monteith found this letter and states.........

"I personally found a copy of that letter among Colonel House's papers at Yale University. Copies are available to researchers. The quotation can also be found in Dr. Dennis Cuddy's book Secret Records Revealed."

Now for many people, this would have been good enough, but not for me. I actually emailed Dr. Monteith and asked him for a copy of this letter. He sent me a copy, free of charge.

That's called verifying sources.

When I cam across Ron Paul's open letter to Americans, there was no source for the letter. I actually called Ron Paul's office and one of his staffers confirm that he wrote the letter.

I am not some goober who believes everything he reads on the internet, as you would like to believe. I verify my sources better than most so-called journalists. I have never made up a quote, like a reporter for the NY Times admitted to and a reporter from the USA Today admitted to. I am a better researcher than most journalists and I also check my sources better.

If you wish to question the sources for Dodd's or Wormser's claims, then feel free to do so. Of course you will be greatly disappointed.

Hey, I have an idea. Instead of trying to discredit me and my information, why don't you get off your LAZY ASS and actually read the information I presented?

You know what? Enough with the insults.

I'm not interested in your "information." I've tried to dig through it. It's poorly written and poorly organized. If you're trying to prove a point, do so in a paragraph, with good grammar, with real sources. A bunch of random quotes and dates mean nothing.

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Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

You started this shit.

You and your typical tin foil hat, illuminati references. Then your snide critical thinking skills remark.

All while ADMITTING you didn't bother to read the information.

You claim you tried to dig through my information. How much time did you spend? 5 minutes, 10 minutes?

Wow, sorry to put you out like that.

Here, maybe this will help.

Here is Norman Dodd's testimony on regionalism. You can read the entire piece, it is only a few pages long.

Regional Governance | Norman Dodd Testimony on Regionalism

Here is the interview with Dodd done in 1981, shorlty before his death.

The transcript can be found here,

Transcript of Norman Dodd Interview

OR, YOU CAN WATCH THE VIDEO OF THE INTERVIEW FOR FREE ON YOUTUBE........

YouTube - Rare year 1982 video with G. Edward Griffin & Norman Dodds#1

The video is painful to watch. Norman Dodd is old and not in the best of health. It is slow, but Dodd is still sharp and still has his wits. He is just slow.

As to Wormser, his book is well worth the read, but it is not short. If you search for your own excerpts, you can learn a lot about what he had to say.

The book titled "The Rockefeller File" is available for free online. It is a well researched book with the introduction written by Congressman Larry P. McDonald. Chapter 4 deals with the foundations.

The Rockefeller File: Chap. 4, The Power of Foundations by Gary Allen

This should be enough to get you started on learning about how the foundations control education.

The sources are all verifiable.

Even people with "critical thinking" skills should be able to grasp the importance of such information.

You're really not getting it, are you?

If you have a point, YOU make it. I'm not going to trapse around the internet reading about or watching clips about things that I'm not particularly interested.

I mean, shit, why not just attach a link to Spare Change (or whatever that 9/11 nutter film is) and tell me that I'm a sheep because I don't buy that shit, either?

Make your case yourself.

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Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

Man, you are never flipping happy.

I did what you asked in my first post.

I provided quotes from the information I just linked to in my last post.

You were not happy with just the quotes, so I posted you the links to where I got the quotes, but you still aren't happy.

I have never had access to the records of the foundations. Have you?

Dodd and Wormser did have access to these records and what they found can only be learned by reading what they had to say. No one else had access to these records, except one researcher who had her life destroyed by this knowledge. Her name was Kathryn Casey.

Look, if you are not interested in this information, then why bother posting on this thread?

If reading a few pages of information is too much work, then your opinion on this topic is totally worthless.

You still don't get it.

Posting random quotes and events (woo, Carnegie made a foundation! Evil Carnegie!) does not prove a point. All it does is demonstrate a scattered mind.

Now, here's what I'm talking about:

Let's say that I wanted to demonstrate that education is run at the state level, and not controlled by the evil Rockefellers, Carnegies, Bushes, or Clintons. One thing that I could do would be to show differences in curriculae that the districts choose. A very quick search shows me:

The Kansas Board of Education decided in 1999 to eliminate the teaching of evolution from the science curriculum.

CNN - Kansas school board's evolution ruling angers science community - August 12, 1999

In 2004, Dover PA chose to mandate teaching intelligent design:

School board OKs challenges to evolution - Science - MSNBC.com

But, the progressive state of Alabama's State School Board in 2005 only voted to continue calling evolution "controversial," by putting a sticker in textbooks:

Alabama School Board Votes to Keep Calling Evolution 'Controversial' | LiveScience


These three examples show different ways that school boards vary their own curruculae, and are not subscribing to some ONE POWER that mind-controls us all.


Now, did you see how that worked? Try it! You might like it!

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

Yes I see.

The problem is, I am familiar with all of your information. I know how education is set up. I know states do design their own curriculum.

I also know that if the states want money from the FEDGOV, they have to bow to outcome based education goals.

Now the states have this federal money and the local districts want it. So, now the local school districts have to adopt the same goals of outcome based education, which came from the FEDGOV in order to get their federal dollars, which are now controlled by the state.

This is all explained in the documentary I posted which you are too busy, or not interested enough to watch.

Look, I can tell you are a pretty smart person. I think we likely agree on some issues like alternative energy and possibly some other issues.

Isn't there the slightest possibility that there is some truth to Dodd's and Wormser's claims?

I would truly be interested in your opinion on this topic, if you would make the time to do a little of your OWN research.

What do you say? Do you have time the next week or two to do a little digging on your own?

If yes, I would be interested in hearing what you have to say.

Are you talking about NCLB? That "outcome-based" education requires testing for basic reading/writing/math skills. I'm not seeing a link between that and some sort of mind control or brainwashing.

Never mind that the tests are developed and administered at the state level.

Oh, and it's finals week. I visit the board 'cause it distracts me while I work on this last stupid paper. But, my time is fairly limited.

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

That's cool. I know when I went to college I actually started reading comic books, it was a great escape from geology, finance, western cult and statistics. Nothing is more boring to me than the Reformation. I wanted to blow my brains out while I had Luther and Calvin crammed down my throat.

As to your question, OBE has little to do with reading, writing, or math skills.

I know you want me to post my "own points", but it is simply redundant for me to re-write that which has already been written.

What's Wrong With Outcome-Based Education? -- May 1993 Phyllis Schlafly Report

The above link is one of the shorted pieces on OBE I could find that is still complete.

One of the biggest problems with OBE, in my opinion is........

OBE is based on the unrealistic notion that every child in a group can learn to the designated level and must demonstrate mastery of a specific outcome before the group can move on. The faster learners are not allowed to progress, but are given busy work called "horizontal enrichment" or told to do "peer tutoring" to help the slower learners, who are recycled through the material until the pre-determined behavior is exhibited.

The documentary I posted in an earlier post is really well done. A little boring, a little dry, but very informative.

Maybe after finals are over, or whenever you get a break from school, you can watch the documentary and read Norman Dodd and Rene Womrser's info.

But as a former professional educator, in my experience this is not what happens.

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

I wonder which kind of education produces a continuous need to see conspiracies everywhere. Perhaps you're on to something after all, Norrin Radd.