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Something provides motivation in individuals from the formative years on up and that's normally a parental function with educator reassurance during primary and secondary education. With lots of visual escape entertainment from out of the cradle used as a babysitter through high school, apathetic parents and educators, it would seem inevitable that a majority fall into a rut of laziness.
You have a point. Then I really want to see a popular TV series glamorizing it.
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You have a point. Then I really want to see a popular TV series glamorizing it.
Keep in mind TV programming is directed at attention spans measured in seconds.
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Keep in mind TV programming is directed at attention spans measured in seconds.


Now, I will interject that, w.r.t. the lazy idea, it is very frustrating to teach a subject where being lazy in studying it is not an option even if the basic concepts are to be grasped. It is hard to compete against other majors where a grade of B is assigned if the student just shows up and writes a few papers. That is extemely frustrating, as some students expect the same effort expenditure on their part for that B. For many subjects in science, that isn't going to happen.
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Now, I will intergect that, w.r.t. the lazy idea, it is very frustrating to teach a subject where being lazy in studying it is not an option even if the basic concepts are to be grasped. It is hard to compete against other majors where a grade of B is assigned if the student just shows up and writes a few papers. That is extemely frustrating, as some students expect the same effort expenditure on their part for that B. For many subjects in science, that isn't going to happen.
That's the reason US higher education now churns out more public and business administration majors than the entire world could absorb. No concepts or serious homework involved, it's learn by rote stuff.
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That's the reason US higher education now churns out more public and business administration majors than the entire world could absorb. No concepts or serious homework involved, it's learn by rote stuff.
Bullshit.

Pretty fucking presumptuous of you.

Or, maybe I just imagined all the work I did in the last two years.

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Bullshit.

Pretty fucking presumptuous of you.

Or, maybe I just imagined all the work I did in the last two years.

BTW, congrats and well done! (Graduation was Sunday, right?)
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BTW, congrats and well done! (Graduation was Sunday, right?)


I have one final tonight at 8. Graduation is Friday.

Start my new job on Monday.

And, thank you!

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Bullshit.

Pretty fucking presumptuous of you.

Or, maybe I just imagined all the work I did in the last two years.

I didn't realize you're studying in that field and meant no ill will. I still feel that when compared to the math and sciences requirements for engineering and science fields even before a specific discipline is determined, the arts have it pretty easy.
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I didn't realize you're studying in that field and meant no ill will. I still feel that when compared to the math and sciences requirements for engineering and science fields even before a specific discipline is determined, the arts have it pretty easy.
Sorry. My reaction was inappropriate.

While there wasn't a whole lot of math involved, there was a lot of theory and concept learning, and very little rote learning, if any (can't think of any off the top of my head, except maybe accounting).

Honestly, at the undergrad level, the sciences have a LOT of rote learning involved. Thus my struggle with o-chem: I understood the chemistry, but I couldn't memorize those stupid red-ox reactions. In my entire MBA program, I've not had to memorize much of anything (except for a few finance equations); it's all been conceptual thinking.
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Sorry. My reaction was inappropriate.

While there wasn't a whole lot of math involved, there was a lot of theory and concept learning, and very little rote learning, if any (can't think of any off the top of my head, except maybe accounting).

Honestly, at the undergrad level, the sciences have a LOT of rote learning involved. Thus my struggle with o-chem: I understood the chemistry, but I couldn't memorize those stupid red-ox reactions. In my entire MBA program, I've not had to memorize much of anything (except for a few finance equations); it's all been conceptual thinking.
One never has to memorize organic. As long as one is mechanism-oriented, they can use the knowledge of mechanisms to predict the outcome of a reaction.
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Oh, gee, I'm so sorry that I don't want to peruse your rambling "everything's a conspiracy" websites trying to extract a meaningful argument.

Sorry that the world is such a big scary place for you.
"everything's a conspiracy" websites

Yeah, I have a lot of respect for someone who attacks information without bothering to read it.

I guess some people like to believe that a congressional investigative committee appointed a conspiracy whacko to be the chief investigator and another conspiracy whacko to be the chief council for that committee.

Yeah sure, sounds reasonable.

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BUT OF COURSE THERE IS NO REPLY TO MY LAST POST.

No, it is so much easier to just dismiss information without bothering to read it than to actually educate yourself.

I am starting to see why so many "intellectuals" believe that the masses need guidance. Why they believe that the masses are unable to think for themselves.

I now see why individual liberty was a failed experiment. All because the sheeple are unable to think for themselves.

The masses love letting the Mass media tell them what to think.
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Or, perhaps someone had something better to do for the last week than respond to more of your ramblings.

Just a thought.
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I have one final tonight at 8. Graduation is Friday.

Start my new job on Monday.

And, thank you!

wow and you got a job right off the bat? Cool....and yes congrats.
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Or, perhaps someone had something better to do for the last week than respond to more of your ramblings.

Just a thought.
Sorry, I missed this post.

Ramblings, yeah.

I post more evidence to support my opinions than 99% of the people at this forum.

Ramblings, sure.

Whatever you say.
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