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Woman sues because test is too difficult.

Oh, dear god. At first I thought this was a "political correctness gone mad" story beloved of papers like the Daily Mail, but it's in the reputeable papers as well:

A medical student in Britain is suing the General Medical Council for discrimination because, as a dyslexic, she finds some of the tests she needs to pass to qualify as a doctor difficult.

I don't want to be treated by a dyslexic doctor | Stephen Pollard - Times Online

Full Coverage: Dyslexia student's legal bid

I can't be the only one who thinks that difficult tests don't discriminate, they weed out. Also, while I know some extremely intelligent dyslexics, I wouldn't want them treating me.
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Oh, dear god. At first I thought this was a "political correctness gone mad" story beloved of papers like the Daily Mail, but it's in the reputeable papers as well:

A medical student in Britain is suing the General Medical Council for discrimination because, as a dyslexic, she finds some of the tests she needs to pass to qualify as a doctor difficult.

I don't want to be treated by a dyslexic doctor | Stephen Pollard - Times Online

Full Coverage: Dyslexia student's legal bid

I can't be the only one who thinks that difficult tests don't discriminate, they weed out. Also, while I know some extremely intelligent dyslexics, I wouldn't want them treating me.
The policy of inclusion is an honorable one. However, we see this policy having these kinds of effects. It's time to reevalute the cost/benefit of the policy and how far inclusion needs to be applied.

Although criticizing inclusion is very un-PC, many would be surprised how it is viewed by faculty when they are speaking privately among themselves. God forbid any faculty say in within earshot of others, though.
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Re: Woman sues because test is too difficult.

I'm dislexic myself, as some may have noticed from my spelling, and from what I've read of this story she isn't complaining about how hard the test is, but the type of test. Dislexics generally can't do multipul choice questions, we struggle with them and her arguement is a valid one-by all accounts shes done well on the practical and written tests (I belive she got a 1st on one) and multipul choice questions don't really come up in medicane very often.

Perhapse a more sensable answer would be to let her have a bit more time to do the test-as it does take a dislexic far longer to do an multipul choice question than others.
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I'm dislexic myself, as some may have noticed from my spelling, and from what I've read of this story she isn't complaining about how hard the test is, but the type of test. Dislexics generally can't do multipul choice questions, we struggle with them and her arguement is a valid one-by all accounts shes done well on the practical and written tests (I belive she got a 1st on one) and multipul choice questions don't really come up in medicane very often.
You mean like:

Here are 5 organs, can you identify the kidney?
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I'm dislexic myself, as some may have noticed from my spelling, and from what I've read of this story she isn't complaining about how hard the test is, but the type of test. Dislexics generally can't do multipul choice questions, we struggle with them and her arguement is a valid one-by all accounts shes done well on the practical and written tests (I belive she got a 1st on one) and multipul choice questions don't really come up in medicane very often.

Perhapse a more sensable answer would be to let her have a bit more time to do the test-as it does take a dislexic far longer to do an multipul choice question than others.
I can see where you're coming from, but to be honest, I wouldn't want a doctor who hadn't completed the same training and passed the same tests as the other doctors.
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Re: Woman sues because test is too difficult.

But, why not? Do you honestly believe that the practice of medicine is based upon the ability to score well on a multiple choice test?
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Re: Woman sues because test is too difficult.

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I'm dislexic myself, as some may have noticed from my spelling, and from what I've read of this story she isn't complaining about how hard the test is, but the type of test. Dislexics generally can't do multipul choice questions, we struggle with them and her arguement is a valid one-by all accounts shes done well on the practical and written tests (I belive she got a 1st on one) and multipul choice questions don't really come up in medicane very often.

Perhapse a more sensable answer would be to let her have a bit more time to do the test-as it does take a dislexic far longer to do an multipul choice question than others.
For multiple choice tests, I completely agree. A bit more time does not give the students with needs any advantage over the others and puts minimal burden on those making the accomodations.
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Re: Woman sues because test is too difficult.

Plus, multiple choice tests are the easiest form of tests out there. I mean, the answer is pretty much right in front of you and if you don't know it, you can usually figure it out through process of elimination.

If someone wants to take a harder type of test in place of a multiple choice test, more power to them.

I mean, seriously, has anyone ever heard someone say "Man, I really wish we had a written exam instead of this multiple choice one!"
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Re: Woman sues because test is too difficult.

I think I should sue God....sometimes life is difficult.
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I think I should sue God....sometimes life is difficult.
That's impossible, there are no lawyers in heaven.

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Plus, multiple choice tests are the easiest form of tests out there. I mean, the answer is pretty much right in front of you and if you don't know it, you can usually figure it out through process of elimination.

If someone wants to take a harder type of test in place of a multiple choice test, more power to them.

I mean, seriously, has anyone ever heard someone say "Man, I really wish we had a written exam instead of this multiple choice one!"
I much prefer written exams over multiple choice, but I'm very odd.

I much prefer grading multiple choice over written, but I'm very lazy, too.
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But, why not? Do you honestly believe that the practice of medicine is based upon the ability to score well on a multiple choice test?
In this specific case, what happens when this woman needs to read a chart? Or perhaps assign the proper medication?
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Plus, multiple choice tests are the easiest form of tests out there. I mean, the answer is pretty much right in front of you and if you don't know it, you can usually figure it out through process of elimination.

If someone wants to take a harder type of test in place of a multiple choice test, more power to them.

I mean, seriously, has anyone ever heard someone say "Man, I really wish we had a written exam instead of this multiple choice one!"
*raises hand*

There are times that I prefer a written exam to multiple choice, but it depends on the class.
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But, why not? Do you honestly believe that the practice of medicine is based upon the ability to score well on a multiple choice test?
I'm not a fan of multipole choice tests, they are designed for dummies (students) by lazies (profs). Honestly I'm more concerned about all the other med-students, who pass such ridiculus, useless tests, than a about a student who asks for a harder (real) test.
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Oh, dear god. At first I thought this was a "political correctness gone mad" story beloved of papers like the Daily Mail, but it's in the reputeable papers as well:

A medical student in Britain is suing the General Medical Council for discrimination because, as a dyslexic, she finds some of the tests she needs to pass to qualify as a doctor difficult.

I don't want to be treated by a dyslexic doctor | Stephen Pollard - Times Online

Full Coverage: Dyslexia student's legal bid

I can't be the only one who thinks that difficult tests don't discriminate, they weed out. Also, while I know some extremely intelligent dyslexics, I wouldn't want them treating me.
I remember when we were taking our college entrance exams (SAT test) that there were any number of kids in my area (a wealthy one) that had their parents shell out a lot of money for the "Princeton Review" which was a course that taught students how to take the SAT test. I had neither the money nor the interest to take it myself, but some of my friends did and shared their "learning" with me. If you can eliminate two of the four answers guessing makes sense, go through and do the easy ones first, do the math problems by plugging the answers into the original equation and see which one works, and any other number of common sense inanities. That was enough of an interesting advantage that could be had to prevent the playing field from being leveled across economic strata.

There was also the interesting phenomenon of those with LD's being able to take the test un-timed. First off, I think there is a portion of the population that has learning disabilities, and that there are probably some sorts of accommodations that can be made. However, in rich areas the number of kids with learning disabilities magically increases. I'm not sure whether this is because there are a lot of kids that want to be perscribed legal speed that they can snort before going to parties, because there are a lot of angry, rich parents demanding an explanation other than "you're kid's just not very bright", because learning disabilities confer an automatic advantage in our equality obsessed society, or some combination of these factors. But, there it is. All sorts of kids got to swallow concentration pills, sit in rooms by themselves, and not worry about timing. That was 10 years ago - hell, maybe they just give them one out of every three answers now. Though I was and am ambivalent about that occurring, I recall thinking that it was unfair and absurd (though, I was in no position to complain as a night of heavy drinking before the test had been my own potential adjustment of test results )

But, I've thought about something recently. In the US, there is an enormous flap these days about athletes and performance enhancing drugs. Not only is it illegal (and apparently immoral), but it tarnishes the very nature of the game - it's unfair. In a competitive environment, they are taking drugs to gain an edge. And yet, nobody seems to think anything of loading their children up on prozac and adderall (basically, prescription cocaine), fudging a doctor's visit or bribing said doctor in order to secure un-timed test results, or generally securing any other unfair competitive advantage for said children. Of course, I don't much care, but these same children are probably later lectured on the immorality of steroid use, if they are athletes.

As the Onion has coined it in a new section - only in "Our Dumb World".
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