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Old 09-10-2008
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Re: How would gay marriage hurt you or other people?

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Dawkins has exposed himself as a hateful pinhead. Hateful and bitter towards religion and religious people. American philosopher Daniel Dennett and British Biologist Richard Dawkins published articles calling on fellow unbelievers to give up the term "atheist." They suggest it had negative connotations.

They want to now be called "brights."

Dawkins defines a bright as one who espouses "a worlview that is free of supernaturalism and mysticism." [Richard Dawkins, "The Future Looks Bright," Guardian, June 21, 2003 ]

"We brights don't believe in ghosts or elves or the easter bunny - or God."

[ Daniel Dennet, "The Bright Stuff," New York Times, July 12, 2003 ]

This is meant to imply that these "brights" are the smart people that don't fall for silly superstitions.

What is truly entertaining about his statement is that it immediately verifies that his ideas aren't really all that "bright."

As a matter of fact it makes him, and Dawkins by association, look like dumbshits.

This is just a matter of a group of people who have long been considered a marginal and meaningless minority now lashing out in hatred at religion.

Nobel Laureate Steven Weinberg writes "Anything that we scientists can do to weaken the hold of religion should be done and may in the end be our greatest contribution to civilization."

[ Cited by George Johnson, "A free-for-all on Science and Religion," New York Times, November 21, 2006 ]

In otherwords, these creeps have declared war on religion and religious people. And they're going to try to wage it using science and rhetoric like this:

"All religions and all churches are equally demented in their belief in divine intervention, divine intercession, or even the existence of the divine in the first place."

[ Christopher Hitchens, "Bush's secularist triumph," Slate.com, November 9, 2004 ]

"The great unmentionable evil at the center of our culture is monotheism. From a barbaric bronze age text known as the old testament, three anti-human religions have evolved: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam."

[ Richard Dawkins, statement to the Freedom from Religion Foundation, Madison, Wisconsin, September 2001 ]

Quite funny.

Do these idiots really think that saying crap like this is going to help their case ? Help turn people away from religion ?

I suppose it may help affirm a few already atheists. They'll hear/read these statements and clap their hands and grunt in agreement.

Reasonable people will roll their eyes and see them for what they are though.
Firstly, thank you so much for telling me what I, as an atheist, believe. Truly, I couldn't have found that out on my own. Secondly, I'd like to know the difference between their contempt for religious beliefs and your contempt for atheism (liberalism, feminism...)
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(1) According to some it should probably be a goat or a mule. A horse ? A ____ fill in the blank.

"Party" A or B my eye.

(2) Like I said earlier, this crap turns people, individuals and entire civilizations, against themselves.

(3) This is about "love" alright. It's about a love/fetish for death.
(1) You're comparing two consenting adults of the same gender having sex to people having sex with animals?

(2) What? That makes no sense.

(3) How is being in a loving, commited relationship having a love or fetish for death?

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(1) Homosexuals already have all of the rights of every other citizen. They’re protected not only by the U.S. constitution, but by many other hard fought civil rights battles. It’s not about property rights, because even unmarried persons who are not partners have equal rights in the joint ownership of property.

(2) So what's it really about ?

It’s about destroying the family.

(3) In Karl Marx Communist manifesto:

“The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course. Do you charge us for wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents ? To this crime we plead guilty. But you will say we destroyed the most hallowed of relations when we replaced home education by social . . . The bourgeois clap track about the family and education, about the hallowed correlation of parent and child, becomes all the more disgusting . . . by the action of modern industry.”

(4) The radical fringe of the homosexual movement is socialist. Some are communists and they wish to abolish the family unit so that children will be raised by the state.

(5) And they want to silence churches who speak Gods truth about the destructive nature of homosexuality.
(1) Clearly they don't, because they can't marry.

(2) What? How is the desire to have the right to marry and raise children going to destroy the family?It's certainly an interesting theory, that the way to destroy the family is to...start one. Pure genius.

(3) Not all homosexuals are communist/socialist. In fact, most aren't. Care to give concrete evidence that they are? Not all communists/socialists want to destroy the family. Marx was referring to the exploitation of the familes of the time, where the women and children were nominally under the protection of the head male, but were in reality subject to terrible treatment.

(4) The radical fringe of society as a whole is socialist. The radical fringe of the heterosexual population is socialist. Should straight marriage be banned on those grounds? Got proof that there is a homosexual conspiracy to destroy the family?

(5) So they're going into churches and trying to stop people speaking? Or are they resisting the attempts of some religious groups to impose religious doctrine on a secular law?
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Re: How would gay marriage hurt you or other people?

Greetings and Felicitations,

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(1) You're comparing two consenting adults of the same gender having sex to people having sex with animals?
This has always been one of CT's arguments against gay marriage. No matter how much you point out the numerous fallacies it will avail you not. You should count yourself lucky. He didn't use the marry a toaster argument he has used before.

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And lets take note;

It's not person A and person B. It's "party A" and "party B."

What's a "party ?"

According to some it should probably be a goat or a mule. A horse ? A ____ fill in the blank.

"Party" A or B my eye.
I say if the goat or mule or horse can repeat the vows and say "I Do," then let them get married. But until talking animals who can express free will and consent show up, you're using this as an outlandish argument to skew the facts. This argument, if it can legitimately be called that for all its stupidity, is moronic.
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Old 10-09-2008
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I don't think anyone would or could argue that it's normal. "Natural", on the other hand, is vague and subjective enough to be like describing something with words like "pretty" or "unpleasant".
And whether or not something is normal is simply based on our society's decisions about what is normal. Normal definitely does not deserve to have a say in our government. Just because people have lifestyles that are not considered "normal" by our government, does not automatically make it a dangerous or hurtful lifestyle. I have yet to find anyone who can actually argue how gay marriage actually hurts society. I would love a concrete example of how this happens, as that is how arguments are supposed to work.
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Re: How would gay marriage hurt you or other people?

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I say if the goat or mule or horse can repeat the vows and say "I Do," then let them get married. But until talking animals who can express free will and consent show up, you're using this as an outlandish argument to skew the facts. This argument, if it can legitimately be called that for all its stupidity, is moronic.
You bring up an interesting moral topic when it comes to advances in artificial intelligence. It's certainly within the realm of possibility to have talking robots that express free will in the next 50 to 100 years.
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Re: How would gay marriage hurt you or other people?

And arguably, people already do a whole lot worse things to synthetic human representations than marry them...
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