It appears the vaccine/autism debate is heating up again, in large part to Jenny McCarthy.

Jenny's story is easy to find, for anyone interested, but I would like to share a survey I came across today.

Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated - Autism and it's causes

This survey company did a phone survey, just like the CDC does, of 11,817 households. They wanted to compare vaccinated children to unvaccinated children and see if there was any difference for neurological disorders.

What they found........

All vaccinated boys, compared to unvaccinated boys:
- Vaccinated boys were 155% more likely to have a neurological disorder (RR 2.55)
- Vaccinated boys were 224% more likely to have ADHD (RR 3.24)
- Vaccinated boys were 61% more likely to have autism (RR 1.61)
Older vaccinated boys, ages 11-17 (about half the boys surveyed), compared to older unvaccinated boys:
- Vaccinated boys were 158% more likely to have a neurological disorder (RR 2.58)
- Vaccinated boys were 317% more likely to have ADHD (RR 4.17)
- Vaccinated boys were 112% more likely to have autism (RR 2.12)

While I would not even consider calling this information "PROOF", it is evidence that there "might" be something wrong with our vaccines and/or the vaccine schedule.

More from the organization that sponsored the survey........

Commentary

Generation Rescue is not representing that our study proves that the U.S. vaccine schedule has caused an epidemic in neurological disorders amongst our children. We are a small non-profit organization. For less than $200,000, we were able to complete a study that the CDC, with an $8 billion a year budget, has been unable or unwilling to do. We think the results of our survey lend credibility to the urgent need to do a larger scale study to compare vaccinated and unvaccinated children for neurodevelopmental outcomes.

NOW, when I first heard about the possible danger for vaccines, I wondered why no such studies were being done.

I thought that there must not be a large enough sample of unvaccinated children in order to do such a study, but if the survey I posted above is accurate, then there is a large enough sample to do such a study.

Why isn't this study being done on a national scale?

What is the CDC afraid?

Why does our government refuse to act?

More from the link........

In 1983, the Centers for Disease Control ("CDC") recommended a total of 10 vaccines for our children up to the age of 5. In 2007, the CDC recommends 36, an increase of 260%

Now, I have seen many studies which claim there is no link between vaccines and Autism, or ADD.

Of course, all of these studies seem to focus on an individual vaccine and not the COMBINATION OF ALL VACCINES.

Isn't it possible the combination of so many vaccines, at such a young age, is causing serious health problems among our children?

Our government has already granted immunity to the drug makers for any problems with vaccines.

WHY?

Why are vaccine producers not liable, if their products are found to be dangerous?

If vaccines are so safe, like our government tells us REPEATEDLY, OVER AND OVER, then why the need for legislation to protect the vaccine makers?



Bush administration moves to suppress documents on vaccines
By Joanne Laurier
10 December 2002


The Bush administration asked a federal claims court on November 26 to seal documents relating to hundreds of cases of autism allegedly caused by a mercury-based preservative, thimerosal, used in childhood vaccines.

The government’s legal action comes on the heels of an insertion into the Homeland Security bill that protects Eli Lilly, the drug company giant that developed thimerosal, from lawsuits involving the additive. The bill removes all liability from the pharmaceutical industry and health officials for the injuries and death resulting from the preservative.

Bush administration moves to suppress documents on vaccines

IF VACCINES are so safe, like the government claims, then WHY THE NEED TO SEAL THE RECORDS?

WHY?

What is the government hiding?

Is there an ounce of decency left in the American people?

Are we going to continue to allow our government to hide the truth from us, on issue after issue?

Why is the US government UNWILLING TO DO A STUDY comparing vaccinated children to unvaccinated children?

This question was asked to the CDC by a UPI reporter.......

Final Thought

Why hasn’t a larger scale study comparing ND rates of vaccinated and unvaccinated children already taken place? We don’t know. We credit Dan Olmsted, a reporter for United Press International, with giving us the idea to do this study. At a press conference in the summer of 2005, Mr. Olmsted had a chance to ask Julie Gerberding, the Director of the CDC, a simple question. Mr. Olmsted asked:

"Has the government ever looked at the autism rate in an unvaccinated U.S. population, and if not, why not?"

Ms. Gerberding's answer:

"In this country, we have very high levels of vaccination as you probably know, and I think this year we have record immunization levels among all of our children, so to (select an unvaccinated group) that on a population basis would be representative to look at incidence in that population compared to the other population would be something that could be done.

The CDC director goes on, typical blah, blah, blah, but says nothing. The studies should be done and we need to them balh, blah, blah, but WILL THEY BE DONE? I wouldn't hold my breath.


BUT THE STUDY WAS DONE AND IT WAS DONE FOR ONLY 200,000 DOLLARS. Done by a non profit organization, instead of the CDC who should have done the study.

So, why is the CDC dragging it's feet?

Why did our government grant immunity to the drug companies?

Why do they seal documents?

Who does the government work for, the people, or the drug companies?

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The numbers are not that high if you compare them to other enviroment factors on health. I suspect that not being vaccinated also has a corrilation with for example eating healthy, because the parents who decide not to get their kids vaccinated will probably do more effort to raise their children better in other areas as well.

In order to conclude anything meaningfull, we need a double-blind test tracking a group of children for 15 years. Opinion polls don't work well in the medical field.

That being said putting a mercury-based substance in a vaccine doesn't sound good, but they changed that already. And vaccinating within 6 months after birth is really early no?

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A nationwide survey comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated children would be very MEANINGFUL as it would show if there is enough evidence to warrant further study.

The CDC recommends that infants be given their first dose of HEP B vaccine before hospital discharge. Exceptions are made for low birth weight babies, but all others are to vaccinated within their first few days of life.

Call me crazy, but giving a shot to a baby often times only hours old, or 2 days old does not seem all that wise.

Especially when there have been NO LONG TERM STUDIES ON SAFETY OF THIS VACCINE.

Here is a little tidbit form 1999......

[i]Statement to the Subcommittee on Criminal Justice, Drug Policy,
and Human Resources of the Committee on Government Reform

U.S. House of Representatives

Subject: Hepatitis B Vaccine: School Nurse Perspective

Our Central District School Nurse Association asks you to please consider the following information and submit it into the congressional testimony. We continually see more and more damaged children entering our schools, and are very concerned that a major portion of that damage may be due to the hepatitis B vaccine's assault on the newborn neurological and immune system.

My name is Patti White, R.N. I am a registered professional nurse and the district health services coordinator for a multi-school district. I am writing on behalf of the school nurses in our district. We have very grave concerns about the hepatitis B vaccine.

For the past three or four years our school districts have noted a significant increase in the number of children entering school with developmental disorders, learning disabilities, attention deficit disorders and/or serious chronic illness such as diabetes, asthma and seizure disorders. Each of the past four years has been worse than the year before. There is only one common thread we have been able to identify in these children: they are the children who received the first trial hepatitis B injections as newborns in the early 1990s.

As the hepatitis B compliance rate in newborns has gone up in our community, so has the percentage of damaged children. This is very alarming. Because of having so many damaged children we have tried to find the long term clinical trials that ruled this vaccine "safe and effective". We discovered through an exhaustive Medline search that the FDA based its decision to approve hepatitis B vaccine for administration in the first hours of a newborn baby's life upon clinical trials and upon post-marketing surveillance studies in which patients and their doctors were asked to report any adverse effects they noticed within 4-5 days after each injection [4 days for SmithKline and 5 days for Merck].

The problems being reported in increasing numbers as occurring after hepatitis B vaccination appear to be autoimmune and neurological in origin. Such problems take weeks to months to produce noticeable symptoms, and cannot be spotted in a 4-5 day observation period. These are the only clinical studies that have been done by Merck or SmithKline. There is not one long-term study that we could find.

School Nurses Speak Out on Hepatitis B Vaccine

NOT ONE long term study.

In case anyone is interested in one tear jerking personal account, this one is pretty good.

Testimony Of Tonya and Gerald Nelson Indianapolis, Indiana

Before The Government Reform Committee
Hearing of August 3, 1999

[SEE LINK FOR THEIR STORY]

Testimony Of Tonya and Gerald Nelson (Hepatitis B vaccine)


Why do the American people allow their children to be used as GUINEA PIGS?

While I admit vaccines do a lot of good, how does it make sense to jab newborns who have not developed their immunity yet? Doesn't it take few months for babies to develop their immune system? Shouldn't this vaccine only be used at such an early age for infants with HEP B infected mothers?

IS COMMON SENSE TOTALLY DEAD?

Apparently common sense is totally dead.

The problem isn't the dead viruses. The problem is the thimerosal used as a preservative in the vaccine.

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I will note that a phone survey is not the same as a reliable medical study. Not only are some people likely to reject participation in the phone study, and thereby skew the numbers, but the phrasing of the questions themselves can influence the outcome. I also think it likely that those who initiated the survey were not, themselves, unbiased.

You are going to have a hard time convincing people my age that vaccination is a bad thing. I had measles, mumps, chickenpox, and almost everything else as a child, and some of my classmates and kinfolk died from these diseases. I particularly remember the scourge of polio, and how we watched the relentless deterioration of those afflicted while wondering if we might be the next victims. I recall that we stood in line at the school cafeteria to receive our first injections of the Salk vaccine, and that NO ONE CRIED, because we knew that this shot meant that we didn't have to die.

Jenny McCarthy may be a very nice person, but she is entirely misguided in here efforts to end vaccinations across the board. My grandchildren have never seen or heard of many diseases, such as smallpox and diptheria, and the only reason that they have not is because we have nearly wiped out those diseases in our society. Stop the vaccination of children, and every scourge ever visited upon mankind will return--with a special vengeance.

I have not even implied that vaccines should be done away with.

In fact, there is a chance that the vaccine schedule is more of a problem than the vaccines themselves.

In 1983 there were 10 vaccines for children. Now there are 36.

What we need is more information.

More studies.

A government and a health care system that just doesn't parrot back CDC guidelines and will actually make the time to look at the possible dangers of vaccines and the schedule for these vaccines.

As to phone surveys, I already said they do not prove anything, but they can be useful to see if there is enough evidence to warrant FURTHER STUDY.

If vaccines are not causing the rise in autism and/or ADD, then what is? We need to look for the cause of these increases.

Personally, I think it is is criminal to pressure parent to vaccinate their children when there are NO LONG TERM STUDIES ON HEALTH EFFECTS FOR MOST OF THESE VACCINES.

And I didn't say that you, personally, have implied such. But Jenny McCarthy says outright that they should be destroyed and never used again. Based on what we know about communicable disease, and on the demonstrated effectiveness of vaccines in dealing with them, Ms. McCarthy's position is not simply absurd, it is a danger to the public health.

["CDC guidelines" do not come out of thin air, nor are they cut from whole cloth. They are the product of close examination of the very best studies and most complete statistics currently available. The alarmists would like to make this issue sound as though we are all being victimized by sinister conspirators, but that is simply not so. The CDC, by the way, IS the government.

You cannot get medical "evidence" from phone surveys. The notion that we can rely on such for useful information is so contrived that it is ridiculous.

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If I knew what causes the apparent rise in autism, then I would be Jenny McCarthy's hero and maybe yours, too. But there are certainly many more suspected causes than just vaccines, and some of them are bolstered by far more statistical evidence than can be presented against vaccines. The rise in the number of children diagnosed with autism has variuosly been attributed to aerosol pollutants from the manufacture of plastics (which have increased enormously since WW II, and whose curve matches the rise in autism more closely than anything else), to pollutants from other sources, including gasoline and other petroleum products, to insecticides, and to excessive reading of books by Dr. Spock.

We can agree that "we need to look for the cause of these increses," but it will seriously hurt our examination if we start with the notion that we already know the "guilty party"--and that it is vaccines.

I disagree. I think it criminal to allow people who are governed by irrational fears to undermine the public health by withholding their children from vaccination. There are certainly long term studies available on the efficacy of smallpox, polio, and other vaccines--and none of them have ever been connected to an increase in the imncidence of autism. Some of the newer vaccines may not have had such long term studies done--but that is only because the requisite amount of TIME has not yet passed. They are underway as we speak.

If phone surveys are so worthless, then why does the CDC use them?

As to vaccines in general, it is too son to say if they are even connected to the rise in neurological disorders, or not.

Hopefully, it will not take decades to figure out what is causing the huge rise in the disorders.

Here's one way to put the situation in perspective.

Assume, for sake of discussion -- recognizing that we don't actually know this -- that vaccines are the primary cause of the increase in autism and ADD. Tabulate the damage from the entire population of cases of these disorders.

Compare this to the damage from the typical smallpox, polio, dyptheria, and measles epidemics over a 20-year period in the absence of vaccination.

Which is worse?

I think it's pretty easy to see that even if vaccines are causing this increase in autism and ADD, and I'm far from ready to concede that, we're still making a damned good trade. Of course, if we can eat the cake and have it, too, so much the better, so it wouldn't hurt to do some serious and valid scientific studies (which the phone survey is not). But if a causal relationship is found, the proper action would be to see what can be done to make vaccines safer, not question using them in the first place.

Until we can determine what actually cause autism, it is difficult to attribute its cause to vaccines. It could also be to any other environmental event that has a correlating increase to that of autism.

However, there is very good evidence that mercury is not good for you. A mercury compound is used to stabilize the proteins of vaccines. There is research in developing less harmful preservatives, while at the same time, decreasing the amount of mercury-based preservatives now used. But, protein stabilizers are needed to be able to have vaccines available to most of the public in any practical manner.

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So, you have no problem with the vaccine schedule and see no problems with injecting newborn babies with vaccines?

When does a child's immune system develop?

Here is a piece of Congressional Testimony.......

Good morning and thank you for this opportunity to discuss these critical health care issues. My name is Bonnie Dunbar, and I am a research scientist and medical and graduate student professor who has worked in the areas of autoimmunity and vaccine development for over twenty five years (the past 17 years at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston).

I have been honored by the National Institutes of Health as the first Margaret Pittman lecturer for my pioneering work in vaccine development. This honor was special for me because Dr. Pittman's contributions were instrumental in early aspects of vaccine development and because I understand the impact that some vaccines have had, and will continue to have, on our society. My ongoing research in the area of vaccine development continues to be a major commitment. I have worked extensively with the US Agency for International Development and the World Health Organization programs and have a life long commitment to carrying out research to understand, and hopefully, to help solving problems associated with world population as well as disease problems.

As I have been invited to speak to this distinguished subcommittee, it is important to discuss my experience with the clearly apparent severe adverse effects of the Hepatitis B vaccine. About five years ago, I had two individuals working in my laboratory who were required to take the Hepatitis B vaccine. Both of those individuals developed severe and apparently permanent adverse reactions as a result of the vaccine. Both of them were completely healthy and very athletic before this vaccine and have now suffered severe, debilitating autoimmune side effects from the vaccine.

I have studied the complete medical history of my brother, Dr. Bohn Dunbar, who developed seriously chronic joint and muscle pain, fatigue, and multiple sclerosis-like symptoms. And now he has further been diagnosed with POTS (an autoimmune, cardiovascular, and neurological problem) and subsequently with chronic inflammatory, demyelinating polyneuropathy. His problems have been attributed to the Hepatitis B vaccine by over a dozen different specialists around the United States of unquestionable medical expertise. He has now been rated permanently and totally impaired at greater than 90%. His health care has already cost the state of Texas about a half million dollars in the Texas Worker's Compensation Program to date, and that figure will continue to rise given the seventy of his health condition.

My other student went partially blind following her first booster injection, a medical condition that was markedly exacerbated by her second booster that resulted in hospitalization. Personal communications are that her eyesight is continuing to deteriorate. Because she is in medical school she has been, understandably in my opinion, afraid to pursue investigation into her medical problems because of her concern that they might affect her medical career.

I have been in contact with numerous physicians and research scientists from several countries who have independently described identical severe reactions to the vaccine in thousands of Caucasians. Their observations have been, for the most part, denied or ignored by the public health systems, as is evidenced by the serious charges against healthcare officials and pharmaceutical companies brought recently in France. The reversal of the vaccine mandate for children in France was not based on lack of documentation. I have now been contacted personally by hundreds or more individuals (including parents of infants and children) who have reported deaths, severe health problems and life long disabilities, resulting in major medical costs following the administration of this vaccine. It appears that the adverse events related to this vaccine are within a gene pool that is capable of genetic definition. I respectfully submit that rigorous scientific studies into the possibility that the vaccine can cause severe autoimmune disorders is necessary.

I would challenge any colleague, clinician or research scientist to claim that we have a basic understanding of the human newborn immune system. It is well established in studies in animal models that the newborn immune system is very distinct from the adolescent or adult. In fact, the immune system of newborns in animal models can easily be perturbed to ensure that it cannot respond properly later in life.

In contrast, it is highly improbable in the US that a newborn has any significant risk of contracting Hepatitis B as a child because the disease is caused by a blood-borne virus. Newborns are not likely to engage in intravenous drug use or promiscuous sex. Nor are they likely to suffer an accidental needle stick, as might a medical worker. About the only way they are likely to be exposed to the disease is by being born to an already infected mother.

INFORMED CHOICE - hepatitis B vaccine Congressional testimony

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Three medical researchers, including Bonnie Dunbar, Ph.D., of Houston, Professor of Cell Biology, Baylor College of Medicine; Burton Waisbren, M.D., of Milwaukee, a cell biologist and infectious disease specialist; and Barthelow Classen, M.D., of Baltimore, President of Classen Immunotherapies, criticized the scientific studies used to license the recombinant hepatitis B vaccine and require its universal use in all newborns and children.

NVIC Press Release

Why the need to vaccinate newborns? Unless the mother is infected with Hep B, I see no need to prick newborn babies.

Common sense dictates that it might be better to wait until 6 months, or a year, before beginning HEP B vaccinations.

Key word is "might."

If someone can explain to me why it is so important to vaccinate newborns for Hepatitis B, then I might change my mind.

Because it makes it easier to control their minds when they're adults.

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

"Education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. . . . Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible."
Bertrand Russell: 1953 [2]

2. Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1953, p. 50.

I have been looking for a source for this quote for a while,

I finally found it.

It is absurd to hold that the distribution of preventative vaccines, which have unquestionably saved millions of lives during the past sixty years, is really a sinister plot to gain control of the minds of our children.

I didn't say that. I just posted a quoe that I thought was interesting.

I bet you wouldn't say that it is absurd is your father was named Frank Olson, or Ed Nevin.