Theory on 'Official Poverty' Relating to Racism - Page 4 - U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum

danielpalos · #46 (**permalink**) 05-10-2009

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Poverty in the United States is cyclical in nature with roughly 12% to 17% living below the federal poverty line at any given point in time, and roughly 40% falling below the poverty line at some point within a 10 year time span.[2] Most Americans (58.5%) will spend at least one year below the poverty line at some point between ages 25 and 75.[3] There remains some controversy over whether the official poverty threshold over- or understates poverty.

In general the United States has some of the highest relative poverty rates among industrialized countries, reflecting both the high median income and high degree of inequality.[4] In terms of pre-transfer absolute poverty rates, in 2000 the United States ranked tenth among sixteen developed countries, though it should be noted that 2000 was a 'trough' year and subsequently absolute poverty rates have increased.[5]. The US does considerably worse in post-transfer absolute poverty rates.[6]

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There have been many governmental and nongovernmental efforts to reduce poverty and its effects. These range in scope from neighborhood efforts to campaigns with a national focus. They target specific groups affected by poverty such as children, people who are autistic, immigrants, or people who are homeless. Efforts to alleviate poverty use a disparate set of methods, such as advocacy, education, social work, legislation, direct service or charity, and community organizing.

Recent debates have centered on the need for policies that focus on both "income poverty" and "asset poverty." Advocates for the approach argue that traditional governmental poverty policies focus solely on supplementing the income of the poor, through programs such as AFCD and Food Stamps. These programs do little, if anything, to help the poor build assets and begin to lift themselves out of poverty. Some have proposed creating a government matched savings plan (similar to the private 401K) system to provide a savings incentive to poor and lower-income individuals and families.

Source: Poverty in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At-will employment could solve for the perception of racism in current public policies regarding poverty. It would also encourage market friendliness and a better understanding of practical economics through daily life.

As a form of "minimum wage" that pays people to stay out of poverty, it could be less expensive than current social programs that do not solve for official poverty in our republic, and could result in lowering our tax burden.

Eliminating official poverty in a market friendly manner could lead to greater efficiencies in productivity from more motivated labor.

reality · #47 (**permalink**) 05-10-2009

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Originally Posted by danielpalos

Unemployment compensation could also help correct for the inefficiency of a "natural" unemployment rate.

We have a social contract that embodies the concept of individual liberty. We also have an at-will employment doctrine and state at-will employment laws.

Why wouldn't some people choose to go to school anyway, merely to upgrade their market based skill sets?

What you advocate could be perceived as being more Socialist than necessary in our mixed-market, political-economy.

What ethical or moral authority do you appeal to when claiming any such credibility and not wanting to eliminate official poverty in our republic?

I'm confused, you think the system we have now is MORE socialist than the one you are proposing?
No, that can't be right, i must have misunderstood. Care to elaborate please?

reality · #48 (**permalink**) 05-10-2009

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Originally Posted by LeatherneckPM

It wouldn't include me. I don't do drugs. I don't do alcohol. But if it is 99% of the population (but I doubt that), then that works for me. If 99% of Americans are stupid enough to do drugs, then the 1% of us who are smarter than them can solve a lot more problems by getting rid of that 99%.

Speaking as one of these heinous drug users (i drink, and smoke pot) I have a question for you.

You have stated you are a Marine, correct? So not only are you advocating some sort of military coup (cause thats what you'd be doing by trampling the Constitution you swore to uphold

), but you also seem to be under the mistaken belief that 1% of the Population can take the other 99%.

I know a few marines, (one officer three grunts) and every single one of them has a better grasp of tactics then you.

Or were you kidding and now i have egg on my face?

wiggidy · #49 (**permalink**) 05-11-2009

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Originally Posted by LeatherneckPM

It wouldn't include me. I don't do drugs. I don't do alcohol. But if it is 99% of the population (but I doubt that), then that works for me. If 99% of Americans are stupid enough to do drugs, then the 1% of us who are smarter than them can solve a lot more problems by getting rid of that 99%.

Have you ever taken medicine?

mbpc3934 · #50 (**permalink**) 05-11-2009

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Originally Posted by danielpalos

Statistics. Metrics for forms of "racism" can be found in income inequality and incarceration rates.

could also be due to cultural factors

danielpalos · #51 (**permalink**) 05-11-2009

What "cultural factors" if we share the same Constitution, as a form of culture? Legal tradition (precedent) is usually considered relevant and binding as a form of consistency in social justice.

danielpalos · #52 (**permalink**) 05-11-2009

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Originally Posted by reality

I'm confused, you think the system we have now is MORE socialist than the one you are proposing?
No, that can't be right, i must have misunderstood. Care to elaborate please?

Yes. What we have now is more socialist than necessary. Simple compliance with at-will employment doctrine and existing, state at-will employment laws is all that should be necessary.

It could also have the effect of establishing better privileges and immunities for States and States' rights. States would also have better metrics with which to establish complementary services and ventures that can create jobs.

reality · #53 (**permalink**) 05-11-2009

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Originally Posted by danielpalos

What "cultural factors" if we share the same Constitution, as a form of culture? Legal tradition (precedent) is usually considered relevant and binding as a form of consistency in social justice.

Ah see theres your problem. The Constitution isn't a shared culture, its a set of supreme laws. Glad we could clear that up

reality · #54 (**permalink**) 05-11-2009

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Originally Posted by danielpalos

Yes. What we have now is more socialist than necessary. Simple compliance with at-will employment doctrine and existing, state at-will employment laws is all that should be necessary.

It could also have the effect of establishing better privileges and immunities for States and States' rights. States would also have better metrics with which to establish complementary services and ventures that can create jobs.

So youre saying NOT paying people to sit on their ass is more socialist than Paying people to sit on their ass? You need to get a better grasp on what constitutes socialism

mbpc3934 · #55 (**permalink**) 05-11-2009

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Originally Posted by danielpalos

What "cultural factors" if we share the same Constitution, as a form of culture? Legal tradition (precedent) is usually considered relevant and binding as a form of consistency in social justice.

The constitution is a frame work for running our govt. It is not a culture.

danielpalos · #56 (**permalink**) 05-11-2009

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Originally Posted by reality

Ah see theres your problem. The Constitution isn't a shared culture, its a set of supreme laws. Glad we could clear that up

How is "culture" much different than the legal precedent of common law?

Consider that we have a Ninth Amendment regarding individual liberty and its implication in "culture".

You are welcome to provide an opinion on the "cultural" value of our written Constitution. It is what separates us from any other State and its culture.

I disagree that ethnicity and poverty is a factor of Nature, but rather one of Nurture when institutionalized, instead of used for an instrument of expansion.

danielpalos · #57 (**permalink**) 05-11-2009

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Originally Posted by reality

So youre saying NOT paying people to sit on their ass is more socialist than Paying people to sit on their ass? You need to get a better grasp on what constitutes socialism

Your currently willing to pay people to "game" the system rather than be more patriotic to their pledge and republic, by being compliant with at-will employment doctrine and state at-will employment laws.

In any event, unemployment compensation, at-will could actually solve of poverty in the US. At the cost of a "minimum wage" that complies with at-will employment doctrine and state at-will employment laws, it could be less expensive than current forms of more socialist social safety nets.

Unemployment compensation, as a metric, could also improve the efficiency of our economy by ensuring more productive labor market participation.

danielpalos · #58 (**permalink**) 05-11-2009

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Originally Posted by mbpc3934

The constitution is a frame work for running our govt. It is not a culture.

Our Constitution is a social contract. The ideals embodied in our Constitution are part of our culture.

reality · #59 (**permalink**) 05-11-2009

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Originally Posted by danielpalos

How is "culture" much different than the legal precedent of common law?

Consider that we have a Ninth Amendment regarding individual liberty and its implication in "culture".

You are welcome to provide an opinion on the "cultural" value of our written Constitution. It is what separates us from any other State and its culture.

I disagree that ethnicity and poverty is a factor of Nature, but rather one of Nurture when institutionalized, instead of used for an instrument of expansion.

Well a classic example of "american" culture would be baseball and apple pie. Those things are iconic of the ideals of 50's culture.
Culture for greasy hippies is pink floyd and a lot of good bud.
Culture for rednecks is nascar, and walmart.

See its easy, now you try one.

reality · #60 (**permalink**) 05-11-2009

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Originally Posted by danielpalos

Your currently willing to pay people to "game" the system rather than be more patriotic to their pledge and republic, by being compliant with at-will employment doctrine and state at-will employment laws.

In any event, unemployment compensation, at-will could actually solve of poverty in the US. At the cost of a "minimum wage" that complies with at-will employment doctrine and state at-will employment laws, it could be less expensive than current forms of more socialist social safety nets.

Unemployment compensation, as a metric, could also improve the efficiency of our economy by ensuring more productive labor market participation.

I'm not willing to pay someone to game the system. An unfortunate side effect of having a system in the first place is that its able to be gamed. However with some simple tweaks it could be salvaged.

You don't think people would live off of your system indefinetly? Does it rain unicorns and horny girls with huge tits in the fantasy world you live in?

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