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Old 05-13-2009
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Re: Theory on 'Official Poverty' Relating to Racism

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That's the impression I get also.
You are both welcome to your opinion, even if it is based on fallacy.
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Re: Theory on 'Official Poverty' Relating to Racism

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Why do we still have official poverty, and the expense of a War on Poverty, if the mechanism is already available to eliminate it? In other words, by solving for official poverty, we can lower our tax burden by ending the War on Poverty.

As a matter of practicality, unemployment compensation is as simple to administer as minimum wage laws are now, only we could be ending official poverty, and its impact on racism in our republic.
You want the truth to that question? Because we have an abundance of dumb and/or lazy people that don't give a fuck. There is no way to "eliminate it".

I know it's not pc or what you want to hear, but that's a big reason why. That and the earth has a limited amount of resources.


edit: Remove dumb from that first sentence. Plenty of dumb people that are doing just great.
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Re: Theory on 'Official Poverty' Relating to Racism

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I think we should all boycott work if that's the policy that is passed. Would be very funny to see who's going to take care of everybody at that point.
I have argued this reductio ad absurdum before.

Why would everyone want to quit their market based wage job, for unemployment compensation? It would be the equivalent to everyone wanting to quit their current day job for a minimum wage job.
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Re: Theory on 'Official Poverty' Relating to Racism

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Why do we still have official poverty, and the expense of a War on Poverty, if the mechanism is already available to eliminate it? In other words, by solving for official poverty, we can lower our tax burden by ending the War on Poverty.

As a matter of practicality, unemployment compensation is as simple to administer as minimum wage laws are now, only we could be ending official poverty, and its impact on racism in our republic.
So you want unemployment compensation for those that have never held a job?
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I have argued this reductio ad absurdum before.

Why would everyone want to quit their market based wage job, for unemployment compensation? It would be the equivalent to everyone wanting to quit their current day job for a minimum wage job.
Because the benefit of not working and still being secure is better than working your ass off and just being a little better off than those that don't work.
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Re: Theory on 'Official Poverty' Relating to Racism

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No people have to work a JOB to get minimum wage. WORK. JOB. These are things that do not apply to your program.
What about our Ninth Amendment, at-will employment doctrine, and state at-will employment laws.

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At-will employment is a doctrine of American law that defines an employment relationship in which either party can break the relationship with no liability, provided there was no express contract for a definite term governing the employment relationship and that the employer does not belong to a collective bargain (i.e., a union). Under this legal doctrine:

“ any hiring is presumed to be "at will"; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals "for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all," and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work.[1] ”

Several exceptions to the doctrine exist, especially if unlawful discrimination is involved regarding the termination of an employee.

Source: At-will employment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Since no employer is required to hire someone under at-will employment doctrine (even in right to work states), no individual should be required to get hired either.

I consider it a form of equality and equal protection of the laws.


In any event, I find your argument more of a distraction than one based on logic and reason. You would not have to work for market based wages if you feel you are being overly taxed; so you have no real basis for any (moral) indignation regarding work.
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What about our Ninth Amendment, at-will employment doctrine, and state at-will employment laws.
What about it?
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Re: Theory on 'Official Poverty' Relating to Racism

Since no employer is required to hire someone under at-will employment doctrine (even in right to work states), no individual should be required to get hired either. To do otherwise could be perceived as being more Socialist than necessary or required under our form of federal government.

I consider it a form of equality and equal protection of the laws; something that could ameliorate perceptions of racism.
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Since no employer is required to hire someone under at-will employment doctrine (even in right to work states), no individual should be required to get hired either. To do otherwise could be perceived as being more Socialist than necessary or required under our form of federal government.

I consider it a form of equality and equal protection of the laws; something that could ameliorate perceptions of racism.
Sounds good, can't wait to kick back and have everything given to me.
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Re: Theory on 'Official Poverty' Relating to Racism

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Since no employer is required to hire someone under at-will employment doctrine (even in right to work states), no individual should be required to get hired either. To do otherwise could be perceived as being more Socialist than necessary or required under our form of federal government.

I consider it a form of equality and equal protection of the laws; something that could ameliorate perceptions of racism.
And youre wrong. Its on you to provide YOUR income. YOU. Not the taxpayers.
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And youre wrong. Its on you to provide YOUR income. YOU. Not the taxpayers.
Oh cmon, lets all get on board with his type of thinking. He wont realize he's wrong until he sees it in person.

We all give up, there's no reason to work under his system (unless of course you're a millionaire). However, how will there be any millionaires? or Food?
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Re: Theory on 'Official Poverty' Relating to Racism

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Sounds good, can't wait to kick back and have everything given to me.
In other words, you would be willing to quit your day job for unemployment compensation? How many people making the high five or six figure income range do you think would want that opportunity cost?
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In other words, you would be willing to quit your day job for unemployment compensation? How many people making the high five or six figure income range do you think would want that opportunity cost?
How many people do you think will be bringing home six figures under your system?
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Re: Theory on 'Official Poverty' Relating to Racism

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And youre wrong. Its on you to provide YOUR income. YOU. Not the taxpayers.
You are already paying for a War on Poverty, a Drug War, and a Terror War. All I am suggesting is that we lower our tax burden by discontinuing the latter Wars and actually eliminate official poverty in our republic as a form of better morals and ethics.

In any event, unemployment compensation could be mostly self-supporting through contributions from all labor market participants.

However, you seem to missing the point about perceived racism through a lack of equality in the application of the law.
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How many people do you think will be bringing home six figures under your system?
As many as are now, and maybe more since some labor market participants would not want to compete for the market based wages they can command with their current skill sets.
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