Originally Posted by Captain Trips

Right. Here's some more information that you must classify as "paranoid drivel."

You must do so because you have to ignore facts and information that doesn't back up your confused ideas about this subject. If you didn't find ways to ignore the information, you would have to reconsider your position.

I don't expect you to reconsider your position.

I do expect you to keep finding ways to ignore information that you have to ignore

You've been given the information. What you do with it is your choice.

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Here's a group of sexual deviants being honest. They were screaming "We want your children ! We want your children !"

Honest about their hatred for people who beleive in God and the Bible.

Honest about their lust for children.

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At a Baptist church in San Francisco homosexual activists not only surrounded the church but pulled at various members trying to get ahold of them to beat them. The church had to lock the doors. The protestors were taking the heavy lawn furniture from in front of the church, and they were trying to break down the doors of the church. They were screaming "We want your children ! We want your children !" Inside, the children were frightened and crying. Fearing the wrath of the homosexual activists the police did little to stop them.

[ This occured on a Sunday night in Sept. 1993 at Hamilton Square Baptist Church, San Francisco. Rev. David Innis is the Pastor. The incident was sparked by the fact that Rev. Lou Sheldon, a Presbyterian minister and profamily Christian activist, was going to speak at the church that night. ]


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Here's proof that the media is in bed with the "gay" crowd. In bed with the "gay" crowd in their hatred for Christians.

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Observe how the media treats Christians and homosexuals:


In Sept. 1998, when two rednecks killed homosexual Matthew Shepherd in Wyoming, the media never stopped commenting on it. It was instantly defined as a hate crime. [B]A year later, in Sept. 1999, a man shouting anti Christian expletives barged into Wedgewood Baptist church in Ft. Worth during a service filled with young people. He shot and killed seven. The media and attorney general Janet Reno never got around to calling this a hate crime. They spoke as if the motives were unclear and went to the grave with the troubled shooter who shot himself too. Few Americans have forgotten about Matthew Shepherd because it was so widely reported. Few have remembered the incident at Wedgewood because it was so underreported (comparatively) [ "Leaders Decry Rising Hostility to Christians," The Los Angeles Times, Sept. 19, 1999, A08 ]


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Then we have the lie that "gay" is an immutable characteristic. That people who are "gay" were born that way. There are many ex "gays." Here's what one ex "gay had to say about the dangerous "lifestyle." Here's Dr. G. van den Aardweg, a Dutch psychiatrist speaking about it, and more.

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An ex-gay, who was about age thirty-five, told a television audience: "At this point in my life, there have been at least 94 people that I know who have died of AIDS-personal friends in the past three years." [Remarks of an ex-gay, in "Coming out: Breaking free from homosexuality."]

"although there have been many reports during the last 50 years of biological differences in homosexuals, on closer inspection or replication, such studies could not be confirmed." [ See G. van den Aardweg, On the Origins and Treatment of Homosexuality: A Psychoanalytic Reinterpretation (Westport, CT: Praeger, 1986) ]

"Virtually all of the evidence argues against there being a determinative physiological causal factor, and I know of no researcher who believes that such a determinative factor exists." [ Steven Goldberg, When Wish Replaces Thought: Why So Much of What you Believe is False (Buffalo, N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1992), ]

An American Psychiatric Association survey of thirty-four countries reveals that their psychiatric associations declare homosexuality to be either pathological, mental illness, or sexual deviation, [ Based on a report in Psychiatric News, Sept.3, 1993, paraphrased in U.S. Psychiatrists' View on Homosexuality Differs from Colleagues in Foreign Countries," ]


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Here are some of the reasons this "lifestyle" is dangerous. Oh, by the way this information is not from "religious sources" like onenewsnow. I'm sure we can get creative and find ways to dismiss and ignore this information too. We must.

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A doctor emeritus in charge of the emergency room of a major hospital in one of our thriving metropolises said, in a virtual whisper, "I can't tell you how many times on a Friday and Saturday night, I've seen young men rushed into the emergency room who have rectums that look like raw hamburger meat."

No wonder they get AIDS and Hepatitis-B and all sorts of infectious diseases. As Lorraine Day, M.D., former Chief of Orthopedic Surgery at San Francisco General Hospital, once put it: "Nature said `exit,' not `enter."' [ Lorraine Day, MD, Aids: What the Government isn't Telling you (Palm Desert, CA: Rockford Press, 1991), 122 ] In fact, she writes with brutal candor, "Brutal anal sex, `fisting,' or the use of mechanical sexual aids such as dildos or vibrators produce tears and lacerations of the rectum throughout which infected semen and pathogenic organisms can and will enter the bloodstream. Blood and fecal matter sometimes find their way into the abdominal cavity through injuries. Colitis, a severe inflammation of the mucous membrane of the colon, is not uncommon among gays." [ Lorraine Day, MD, Aids: What the Government isn't Telling you (Palm Desert, CA: Rockford Press, 1991), 123 ]

"It has been my observation during 15 years as a doctor in one of the world's most-frequented trauma hospitals that much of gay sex is of the harmful, sadistic and/or masochistic variety. Gays hurt each other. They also hurt themselves." [ Lorraine Day, MD, Aids: What the Government isn't Telling you (Palm Desert, CA: Rockford Press, 1991), 111 ]


It isn't just HIV infection or AIDS that afflicts homosexuals. They are vulnerable to a host of other infectious STDs as well. The Centers for Disease Control note: "Several recent reports have documented alarming increases in sexually transmitted infection rates among men who have sex with men (MSM), and a corresponding decline in safer sex practices. After years of successful prevention efforts, this trend may portend a resurgence of HIV infection in the MSM community." ["Abstract 418 from the 2002 National STD Prevention Conference, 'Patterns of STD Infection, HIVcoinfection, and Risk-behavior among MSM at a Boston Community Health Center,'" National Center for HIV, STD and TB Prevention, Division of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (March 5, 2002)]


Here's one you must also dismiss and ignore. It's from an ex "gay" - gasp -


An ex-"gay" that didn't buy the lies being told to him by "gay" activists that "gay" is an immutable characteristic. Yes, "gays" can change. - gasp -


Jeff Johnson is a former homosexual and is now a therapist who helps men and women out of homosexuality. He says, "The biggest problem I have with any of those studies [on a supposed biological basis for homosexuality] is that they take away our free will. They reduce us to mechanistic beings who are drawn to our genes, and God said we're more than that. I never bought into the idea that I was gay or that that was my identity. My identity is as a man; my identity is as a son of God; as one of His creations. My identity is as a heterosexual man; that is what God intended me to be." [ Jeff Johnson, in "Coming Out: Breaking Free from Homosexuality." ]


Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, issued a very true statement. We can see that what he said is coming true:


"The so-called "gay agenda" is far-reaching, and it encompasses much more than the fight for marriage rights. If we do not immediately pass a Constitutional amendment protecting marriage, we will not only lose the institution of marriage in our nation, but eventually all critics of the homosexual lifestyle will be silenced. Churches will be muted, schools will be forced to promote homosexuality as a consequence-free alternative lifestyle, and our nation will find itself embroiled in a cultural, legal and moral quagmire." [ Tony Perkins, "FRC Statement on Massachusetts Homosexual "Marriages" (Washington, D.C.: Family Research Council, May 17, 2004) ]

Originally Posted by Captain Trips

"The so-called "gay agenda" is far-reaching, and it encompasses much more than the fight for marriage rights. If we do not immediately pass a Constitutional amendment protecting marriage, we will not only lose the institution of marriage in our nation, but eventually all critics of the homosexual lifestyle will be silenced. Churches will be muted, schools will be forced to promote homosexuality as a consequence-free alternative lifestyle, and our nation will find itself embroiled in a cultural, legal and moral quagmire." [ Tony Perkins, "FRC Statement on Massachusetts Homosexual "Marriages" (Washington, D.C.: Family Research Council, May 17, 2004) ]

Originally Posted by Speakeasy

Giggidy!

Originally Posted by Speakeasy

I'm just glad you're keeping all these articles in one thread, rather than creating lots of threads.

Originally Posted by WharfedaleTiger

Am I right in thinking that this thread is just Trips posting his random anti-gay crap over and over again, generally straight from some nutter website that he's found? We've had this debate a lot of times mate and now I'm going to make the same statement I egnerally do.

Evidence. From a reputable website. Please. You know, on thats stuff about orientation being a state of mind and so forth and all those 'ex-gays' (who arn't trans-sexual) that nobody but you has met.

Originally Posted by reality

hey at least he's keeping it confined to one thread. good on you trips for keeping this crap off the rest of the site.

Originally Posted by redrover

"thousands of people all over the world to restore themselves to a normal heterosexual orientation." Oh you think so? Would like your daughter to marry one of the reoriented. With the only way he can make love is to pretend he's sticking it into Tom Cruise's butt.

Originally Posted by compote_tom

I realize I'm joining this thread late, but I heard now for 20 yrs that Chistians or Chistianity is under attack in this nation. About 12 yrs ago I sat in a Sunday School class that was being held in a high school( we paid rent) and heard that comment. First, I've got to say, there are places in the world where Christians are "under attack" but folks it ain't here. To make statements like that to me is an insult to the people that are being persecuted in the Middle East and parts of Africa. If Christians want to feel attacked try preaching the gospel in Saudi Arabia. I'm sure there are other places where Christianity is not tolerated. About 10 years ago I had a conversation w/a Greek Orthodox priest, he explained how they still had matyrs because of the part of the world their denomination was in and trying to reach. What I do see is a certain loss of influence by a particular brand of Christianity and hearing people claiming that it is an attack.


I think it interesting that this so call attack is supposedly coming from the "gay community". I certainly this some of the "facts" are circumspect to say the least. But If you have an objection to gays getting married, simple rule, don't marry anyone gay. I have been married to the same women more that 24 years and I can't understand how a gay couple would threaten my marriage. Maybe, it's because I don't want to be married to a gay man, so the fact that some neighbor did, won't threaten my commitment to my wife. The belief that homosexuality is just another temptation escapes me. I have gay friends who seem perfectly normal to me, I'm not interested in what they do in bed, but then I'm not interested in what my neighbors do in bed.

If homsexuality is such a terrible sin why didn't Jesus mention it? There are sparse references to homsexuality in the New Testament. I know it's coming so when you throw the Bible quotes at me, count the words in the New Testament and how many are directed at homosexuality. And I've got to say Jesus seemed much more concerned about "spiritual pride" than he was about anyone's sexuality. As far as the Old Testament, there's rules for slavery, and an example of human sacrifice ,Judges 11. So I'm not interested in Old Testament Quotes.

Please find a reasonable fight. This is silly

Originally Posted by Captain Trips

You're right. It is "silly" and it's not a "reasonable fight."

All of the "arguments" for "gay marriage" are built on lies, misdirection, ignorance and denial which you illustrate for us again - it's been done thousands of times here already -

Originally Posted by Chocobot

Hmm arent the arguments against based on lies, misdirection, ignorance and denial ??