Captain, there are a couple of problems here. Do you believe that someone can be "recruited" to be gay? Are you saying that a some point in your life you could've been influenced to be gay? I have several gay friends, not someone I happen to know, but people I am actually friends with. They know I'm hetero and I know they're gay. I'm in my late fifties, and I certainly taken a few walks on the "Wild Side". But problem is, I've always like having sex with women, and I've never really wanted to have sex w/men. If someone could be recruited, believe me I woulda been. Hate to rain on your parade, but I use to believe like you do, but life expierence and common sense just show the opposite.

Lighten up and just try to look at some info from a difference kind of source.

Sorry, but you my friend, are the spirit of hatred and opposition which inspires "enemies of god."

Christians who are philanthropic, intelligent, concerned for the needy, and accepting, are those who do a service to their religion and bring people to god.

"Christians" who denounce Harry Potter as witchcraft, and who invent lies about gay people do the opposite.

There is no huge conspiracy that lobbies to turn your kids gay and "demands you celebrate their orientation." In fact, you did a great job arguing against yourself. Most gay and lesbian people want their sexual preferences to be a private issue. They believe that it shouldn't be an issue, that it doesn't define you as a person, and that the government shouldn't deny rights based on it. The parades are a minority. If you think that straight people are infinitely more modest I have two words for you. Mardi Gras.

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Is that right ?

Because you say so ?

The information is there and from it you make me an inspiration to "the enemies of God" ?

That's what you've done with the information and that doesn't make it true

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no dude most of us hear can agree on that. youre acting like a hateful bigot.
if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, its probably a bigot.

Christ said LOVE EVERYONE. He said FOLLOW THIS COMMANDMENT. notice he didn't qualify. he didn't say only sometimes. or no fags allowed. or no blacks. or no jews. he said EVERYONE. so either start following Christ's commandment, or stop saying shit in his name. you disgrace my faith when you say such things. You make all christians look like assholes.
quit letting the serpent whisper in your ear man.

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Yeah, uh huh. I'm "hateful." I'm a "bigot." I'm "ignorant" blah blah blah.

Run and hide from the information by putting me and my supposed "hate" and "bigotry" in front of you.

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There is no shame in believing a lie…until you learn the truth.


...any effort to normalize or legitimize homosexuality must use lies and deception to gain public support. The homosexual appeal for public support includes several standard falsehoods that are repeated constantly by its spokespersons and presented to the public as proven facts:


“Homosexuality is innate and normal” (often called the “born that way” argument).


“Homosexuality cannot be changed.”


“Heterosexual children cannot become homosexual.”


“Homosexuals and heterosexuals are separate but equal sexual types.”


“All disapproval of homosexuality is motivated by hate and fear.”


“Homosexuality is equivalent to race, and disapproval of homosexuality is like racism.”


“Homosexuals are helpless victims who need special legal protection.”


“Toleration of homosexuals requires approval of homosexual conduct.”


“Homosexual suicides and mental health problems are caused by social disapproval.”



One example of the “gay” movement’s reliance on deception is its audacious insistence that it has no agenda. Homosexual activists and their best-trained allies ritually challenge any reference to the “gay” agenda with an affected tone of incredulity. “What agenda?,” they exclaim, as if the entire homosexual movement, with its hundreds of organizations and thousands of activists, all working to achieve specific political goals, were invisible.


What is most interesting about this is not that they want to deceive people into believing that they have no agenda, but that they would insist this is true in the face of reality.


What does it tell you about a group of people obviously organized and working to change society, who not only pretend to have no agenda, but who also make the promotion of this self evident falsehood a leading tactic in their campaign ? They must either be very stupid (which is clearly not the case), or very confident that they can make the public accept the lie.


They seem convinced, just like the Nazi propagandists who advocated this tactic, that if they tell the lie long enough and loudly enough, it will supplant the truth. Perhaps it will. Is it really any more of a lie than the assertion (now accepted by a great many otherwise intelligent people) that homosexuality is perfectly normal behavior equivalent to normal sexual relations between husbands and wives?



Sophistry, it must be noted, is the ancient Greek art of persuasion by subtly false reasoning. The key to overcoming sophistry is to simplify and clarify what the sophists have intentionally made complex and vague. One quickly discovers that most arguments advocating “gay rights” depend upon hidden false assumptions and deliberately ambiguous terms. It’s all smoke and mirrors. Among the most common terms and concepts in the “gay rights” arsenal are:


homosexuality, sexual orientation, heterosexism, diversity, multi-culturalism, inclusiveness, discrimination, homophobia and tolerance.


These words and phrases are used by “gay” sophists to frame the question of homosexuality as a civil rights issue. It is a context chosen to favor homosexuals to the extent that they cast themselves as victims and their opponents as oppressors.

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So, Captain Trips, what exactly would you like to see happen? What would be your proposed solution to the "issue" of homosexuality?

You seem to mean well, so I can't possibly imagine you want homosexuals to be killed or anything like that. But, what would you suggest? Forced 'rehabilitation', treating homosexuality as a dangerous mental illness? Nothing at all, just pass legislation or something that makes homosexuality something that cannot leave the bedroom?

What is your solution to what you see as a major problem?

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Apparently his solution is endless cutting and pasting of histrionic sources, breathlessly trying to make homosexuality into a 1950's-esque Red Menace.

Not much of a solution, really.

Well, that's what I'm wondering. He obviously has the opinion that homosexuality isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, that has been established over and over and over.

For the sake of discussion, lets pretend Captain Trips convinced everyone else that his opinion was correct. What then? Where do we go from there?

So far, it's like someone running around screaming that the house is on fire, yet we haven't heard any specific ideas on how to 'fight back' at that fire.

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In his case, I think that's probably true. The Captain's obsession with homosexuality tells me that he is struggling with an attraction to his own sex himself. He is, by nature, either gay or bi, probably the latter. With different influences growing up, and different choices made, he could be living a gay lifestyle today.

I think that's really the key to understanding rampaging homophobia: a combination of inherent homosexual leanings and personal belief that homosexuality is wrong. St. Paul himself was faced with the same dilemma, but was more honest about resolving it; he recognized that he was gay and it helped keep him humble. Much more common is to deny it, and launch crusades against homosexuality in others as a way to suppress it in oneself.

This isn't the source of the mere belief that homosexuality is wrong. But I'm reasonably certain it's the source of obsession such as the Captain displays.

Well, in his case, it seems pretty clear that gay-obssessed is gay confessed.

It's almost like talking to 'alcoholics in recovery'.

This "Massresistance" is some paranoid stuff. They are basically saying gay rights advocates are some organized sinister entity trying to decieve you by hiding their agenda and using Nazi tactics. I really feel sorry for people that buy in to that shit.

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No, of course not. I've known some pretty cool people who identified themselves as "gay."


My "solution" is to educate people about the issue of "gay marriage" and what it's really about. It isn't about equality or rights, it's about war against Christianity and Americas Christian heritage. They cover up their hatred for Christianity by trying to convince us that it's about "love" and "equality." That's been an effective lie for them so far. They've fooled many people.


It's about neither. It's about hatred !! Hatred for Americas Christian history and Christianity in America.


The idea that marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman is a core religious belief for significant numbers of Americans. But the freedom to express this and other beliefs about marriage, family, and sexual values will come under growing pressure as courts, public officials, and private institutions come to regard the traditional understanding of marriage as a form of "irrational prejudice" that should be purged from public life. The concept of marriage is too intertwined in our law and customs, and religious individuals and institutions are too integrated in the social and political lives of our communities, to avoid these conflicts.


Officially licensed same–sex unions involve a public recognition of sexual union, which means they can make orientation relevant and impossible to ignore where religious beliefs prohibit expressing support for or facilitating openly homosexual conduct. As a result, the number of potential religious liberty conflicts stemming from the application of nondiscrimination laws will increase significantly in states that grant legal recognition to same–sex unions. Already in Canada and Europe, pastors have been threatened with legal challenges as a result of teaching traditional Christian doctrine on marriage.


So my "solution" is to make people aware of what this is really about. If "gays" wanted more rights they could more easily get them if they weren't making a full frontal assault on religion. If "gays" wanted more rights they wouldn't be so aggressive in their demands for a word. The demand for the word exposes the true nature of their goals.


In hate, they want to completely defeat and silence Christians. They hide their hate behind accusations of hate. It's been a useful tool to them. We need to see it for what it is though. It's a lie and a manipulation.


It is never hateful to state the truth about sin, since sin kills and the truth can set one free from sin and its horrific consequences (John 8:34-36). In fact, the book of Ezekiel instructs us that we have a positive duty to warn people about sin, and that we will be held accountable by God if we fail to do so (Ezekiel 3:18-19, 33:7-9).



The Book of Leviticus, stating the law as it was given to Moses by God, contains the harshest language against homosexuality in Scripture. It is designated in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 as an “abomination,” which is a translation of toeva, the strongest possible condemnation in the Hebrew language. Leviticus teaches that homosexuality is so evil and defiling that it is listed along with adultery, incest, child sacrifice and bestiality as sins which cause the land itself to “vomit out” its
inhabitants (Leviticus 18:25).

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And I feel sorry for people that buy into the very organized propoganda set out by the gay movement.

To deny their existence is insane.


One example of the “gay” movement’s reliance on deception is its audacious insistence that it has no agenda. Homosexual activists and their best-trained allies ritually challenge any reference to the “gay” agenda with an affected tone of incredulity. “What agenda?,” they exclaim, as if the entire homosexual movement, with its hundreds of organizations and thousands of activists, all working to achieve specific political goals, were invisible.


What is most interesting about this is not that they want to deceive people into believing that they have no agenda, but that they would insist this is true in the face of reality.


What does it tell you about a group of people obviously organized and working to change society, who not only pretend to have no agenda, but who also make the promotion of this self evident falsehood a leading tactic in their campaign ? They must either be very stupid (which is clearly not the case), or very confident that they can make the public accept the lie.

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But, of course, you haven't known anyone like that.But then that leaves you, as a non-Christian gay man, in a real quandry.The idea that marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman is a core religious belief for significant numbers of Americans.

Please support your contention.This pretty much removes all doubt about your ability to live, work and post in the reality-based part of society.That is an open, naked lie. Why do you hate Jesus?I'm sure, but it sounds like like you're looking for folks to quote you, at your worst, from the net. Let me post something from you that demonsrates your pure hatred of people.

‘Pig sex’ orgy set for inaugural week No Compromise When You’re Right!No, not really. Your solution is obviously hot, sweaty man-love. In fact, given your "reasoning", I'm pretty sure I could get most of the people I know to testify that your word is 'daddy'.It's odd trying to understand why you would care about that, as someone who isn't a Christian.I hope one day you learn to read the bible.The BOL, as it were, calls for your death.

Jesus is calling for you to be executed.

I'll always support your right to marry your whoever you want.

You coward.

Greetings and Felicitations,

I'm sorry Captain Trips but that idea stands in direct contradiction to the forces of history. No group has ever achieved freedom and human rights by simply waiting for those in power to decide to make the changes on their own. You take the simple fact that homosexuals want the same rights to marry as heterosexuals as an attack against Christianity. Standing up for your rights is standing up for your rights. The fact that you are a Christian and don't like them doing it doesn't make it an intentional attack against Christians. It makes it a direct attack on the forces that would repress every expression of difference in the name of religion. Your perception of this as an attack has just as much validity as Muslims seeing the Dutch cartoons as an attack on Islam. It places you firmly in the same arena as Muslim extremist. You might not like this comparison but the comparison is valid.

The actual chapter that the injunction against homosexuality is found has more to do with the horrible sin of seeing someone naked. Is being naked as much of an abomination as adultery, incest, child sacrifice, and bestiality.
If your gonna scream about child sacrifice you might want to read up on the rest of the bible before you do so. How many innocent children were slaughtered during the flood? How many children were slaughtered in the battle with the Midianites when Moses insisted that every child that wasn't a virgin female child be put to death? How many children were slain by God when he struck back against the people of Egypt with plagues? How many innocent children were slaughtered when god destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah not to mention that God seemed quite happy with Lots decision to let his daughters get gang raped? The idea that god, as portrayed in the Bible, cares about innocent children is one of the most pernicious lies perpetrated by Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

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