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Old 07-08-2009
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Re: Fighting Back

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This is the republican example for how to properly deal with homosexual urges ... except for the getting-caught part:

Larry Craig - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Get married and try to fuck men in the bathroom.
At least it was not done in the open public, and had Craig not been cought, he could have continued to fight againts the homosexual agenda. IMO, his private dalliances are not so important provided they are kept private - it is the public fight againts the agenda that is important. In much the same way Sanford publically faught for the sanctity of marriage, and againts adultery.
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Old 07-08-2009
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And a quick side note: Although not required, it would certainly be cool if people would snip down Captain Trips' posts when they quote them. A page full of enormous Captain Trips posts followed by enormous posts quoting him make for quite a lot of scrolling.

Just a suggestion, I know I'm guilty of doing the same.
^ Is a great suggestion. And not just with CT but with any other long-winded post. I have half a mind to pry CT's enter key out of his keyboard.
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Old 07-08-2009
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Re: Fighting Back

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In the good old days, homosexuals remained in the closet, away from our children, for fear of many possible repercussions including:

1. Social ostrification, condemnation, ridicule, and isolation
2. Loss of employment
3. Removal from family orientated neighborhoods
3. Refusal of services
4. Monetary fines
5. Incarceration
6. Fear of potential physical harm
That's pretty messed up dude. You're saying that when homosexuals had to be afraid of being jailed, beaten, killed, or fired simply for being who they are, that was the good old days? Am I reading that wrong? By the way, most of those issues are still faced by homosexuals.
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Once the homosexuals are crammed back into the closet, normal folks will be able to raise children with a clear definition of the sinfullness of homosexuality, free of any conflicting outside influences.
You are really afraid that you can't force your religious beliefs on to your child if gays are open? You really think that will complicate you filling your childrens minds with these ideas?

You can have your own silly idea of homosexuality being a sin, but using that as a rational for public or social policy is ludicrous. Our Constitution does not include a clause dictating Christianity as the nation's moral compass and no court has ever upheld any law or decision based on religious premise or precedent.
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It is the conflicting outside influences, contradicting True Christian (tm) teachings, that are the source of the attacks on a True Christian (tm) lifestyle, the War on Christianity if you will.
Sorry, not everyone shares your belief. These "conflicting influences" are a part of life, not a war. It's called freedom of religion. I'm free to worship Joe Pesci, and your free to tell your children that being born a homosexual is a sin.
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It is therefore plainly clear that the homosexual agenda "prohibits (or interfers with) the free exercise of religion" as garanteed in the first amendment. My free excercise requires the teaching of homosexual sinfullness, the agenda interfers with this.
A homosexual being open prohibits the free exercise of your religion?

My religion dictates that christians who are not tolerant and who ignore the lessons of Christ do a disservice to their religion. My religion requires this being taught. Therefore YOU are interfering with my first amendment rights.

See how that doesn't make sense?
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(Not allowing me to enter you home to proselytize and convert also interfers, but one battle at a time.)
You want to enter my home and proselytize? Have you heard of private property? As far as I know you can knock on anyones door, but that doesn't require them to let you in.
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Old 07-08-2009
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Re: Fighting Back

Abidjan:

Everything wrxsti writes is tongue-in-cheek. None of it represents his own genuine views. He's lampooning homophobic nutcases, he isn't one.
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Abidjan:

Everything wrxsti writes is tongue-in-cheek. None of it represents his own genuine views. He's lampooning homophobic nutcases, he isn't one.
Oh, ok haha.
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Re: Fighting Back

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That's pretty messed up dude. You're saying that when homosexuals had to be afraid of being jailed, beaten, killed, or fired simply for being who they are, that was the good old days? Am I reading that wrong? By the way, most of those issues are still faced by homosexuals.

You are really afraid that you can't force your religious beliefs on to your child if gays are open? You really think that will complicate you filling your childrens minds with these ideas?

You can have your own silly idea of homosexuality being a sin, but using that as a rational for public or social policy is ludicrous. Our Constitution does not include a clause dictating Christianity as the nation's moral compass and no court has ever upheld any law or decision based on religious premise or precedent.

Sorry, not everyone shares your belief. These "conflicting influences" are a part of life, not a war. It's called freedom of religion. I'm free to worship Joe Pesci, and your free to tell your children that being born a homosexual is a sin.

A homosexual being open prohibits the free exercise of your religion?

My religion dictates that christians who are not tolerant and who ignore the lessons of Christ do a disservice to their religion. My religion requires this being taught. Therefore YOU are interfering with my first amendment rights.

See how that doesn't make sense?

You want to enter my home and proselytize? Have you heard of private property? As far as I know you can knock on anyones door, but that doesn't require them to let you in.
I think he was being sarcastic. Though, he can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 07-08-2009
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Re: Fighting Back

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That's pretty messed up dude. You're saying that when homosexuals had to be afraid of being jailed, beaten, killed, or fired simply for being who they are, that was the good old days? Am I reading that wrong? By the way, most of those issues are still faced by homosexuals.

You are really afraid that you can't force your religious beliefs on to your child if gays are open? You really think that will complicate you filling your childrens minds with these ideas?

You can have your own silly idea of homosexuality being a sin, but using that as a rational for public or social policy is ludicrous. Our Constitution does not include a clause dictating Christianity as the nation's moral compass and no court has ever upheld any law or decision based on religious premise or precedent.

Sorry, not everyone shares your belief. These "conflicting influences" are a part of life, not a war. It's called freedom of religion. I'm free to worship Joe Pesci, and your free to tell your children that being born a homosexual is a sin.

A homosexual being open prohibits the free exercise of your religion?

My religion dictates that christians who are not tolerant and who ignore the lessons of Christ do a disservice to their religion. My religion requires this being taught. Therefore YOU are interfering with my first amendment rights.

See how that doesn't make sense?

You want to enter my home and proselytize? Have you heard of private property? As far as I know you can knock on anyones door, but that doesn't require them to let you in.

dude he's being drippingly sarcastic lol.

happened to me too once or twice til someone clued me in
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Re: Fighting Back

So is he like the forum's Stephen Colbert?
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So is he like the forum's Stephen Colbert?
yes! but farther to the right and alot more subtle
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Old 07-09-2009
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Re: Fighting Back

Maybe if religious folk would pay their bills, and weren't such a pack of thieves, they wouldn't be persecuted so:

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Re: Fighting Back

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This is the republican example for how to properly deal with homosexual urges ... except for the getting-caught part:

Larry Craig - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Get married and try to fuck men in the bathroom.

Yeah, that's some sad ass bullshit. This is an indication of a larger problem that's happening in America. No decent people will even consider being a "politician." So we get all kinds of freaks, fruits and flakes running for positions. The American people have to decide to pick from these "choices." Pretty sad.
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Re: Fighting Back

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This is the republican example for how to properly deal with homosexual urges ... except for the getting-caught part:

Larry Craig - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Get married and try to fuck men in the bathroom.

Speaking of "urges":

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Redeeming the rainbow - Scott Lively

pg. 100

On the question of choice, it must be noted that all sex but rape is voluntary and thus every sexual act involves a conscious choice. A person’s inclination toward a form of sexual conduct may not, for any number of reasons, be consciously chosen, but the mere existence of desire does not justify the act. To accept otherwise would be to validate adultery and pedophilia.

Society has the right to require people to suppress harmful desires, even if it is difficult for them to do so.

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Which is why this Larry Craig politician person caused such a ruckus getting busted in a public restroom soliciting for homosexual sex.

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Redeeming the rainbow - Scott Lively

pg. 101

By definition, there are an unlimited number of potential sexual orientations. The “gay” movement, however, officially recognizes only four orientations: heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, and transgendered (i.e. transvestites and transsexuals). Why ? Because to recognize other orientations -- pedophilia, for example -- would draw attention to the importance of distinguishing between orientation and conduct, when a major purpose of sexual orientation theory is to legitimize and protect homosexual conduct by obscuring this distinction.

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So is this Larry Craig politician person "gay" or was he just engaging in a form of perverted recreational adultery ?


Lets see, if he's "gay" he had no choice in the matter right ? If he was just engaging in a form of perverted recreational adultery he's kind of a creep.


So is he gay or is he a creep ? Maybe, like many people "gay," "straight" or "other" he just likes that "forbidden fruit." Its well known that forbidding something makes some want it all the more.
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Old 07-09-2009
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Re: Fighting Back

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Speaking of "urges":

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Redeeming the rainbow - Scott Lively

pg. 100

On the question of choice, it must be noted that all sex but rape is voluntary and thus every sexual act involves a conscious choice. A person’s inclination toward a form of sexual conduct may not, for any number of reasons, be consciously chosen, but the mere existence of desire does not justify the act. To accept otherwise would be to validate adultery and pedophilia.

Society has the right to require people to suppress harmful desires, even if it is difficult for them to do so.

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Which is why this Larry Craig politician person caused such a ruckus getting busted in a public restroom soliciting for homosexual sex.

-------------------------------

Redeeming the rainbow - Scott Lively

pg. 101

By definition, there are an unlimited number of potential sexual orientations. The “gay” movement, however, officially recognizes only four orientations: heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, and transgendered (i.e. transvestites and transsexuals). Why ? Because to recognize other orientations -- pedophilia, for example -- would draw attention to the importance of distinguishing between orientation and conduct, when a major purpose of sexual orientation theory is to legitimize and protect homosexual conduct by obscuring this distinction.

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So is this Larry Craig politician person "gay" or was he just engaging in a form of perverted recreational adultery ?


Lets see, if he's "gay" he had no choice in the matter right ? If he was just engaging in a form of perverted recreational adultery he's kind of a creep.


So is a gay or is he a creep ? Maybe, like many people "gay," "straight" or "other" he just likes that "forbidden fruit." Its well known that forbidding something makes some want it all the more
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this shit again. ct its ok if you like cock. none of us give a fuck. you don't have to justify your erection towards men with a "but its just the forbidden fruit thing". its ok dude.
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Maybe if religious folk would pay their bills, and weren't such a pack of thieves, they wouldn't be persecuted so:

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Old 07-09-2009
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A person’s inclination toward a form of sexual conduct may not, for any number of reasons, be consciously chosen
Excellent, Captain! My, you're making progress! You've just acknowledged that being gay is not a conscious choice. Thus, you cannot be condemned for the fact that you find erect penises and hairy chests exciting.

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but the mere existence of desire does not justify the act.
(Sigh.) Oh, well, one step forward, one back. I still have hope for you.

Sexual acts are indeed voluntary; however, the suggestion that they need to be "justified" is highly perverse and backwards. If you want to condemn a sex act, THAT needs to be justified. One reason to do so is if it is nonconsensual on the part of a victim. Another reason is that it violates personal commitments, e.g. to a monogamous partner. But we begin, or we should, with the premise that sex is good -- we do not start with the premise that it's bad, and require that it be "justified."

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Society has the right to require people to suppress harmful desires, even if it is difficult for them to do so.
Society has however the obligation to demonstrate that the desires are indeed "harmful," and NOT just to those indulging them. Moreover, society has the obligation to demonstrate that indulging these desires does MORE harm than enacting laws to suppress them, since such laws will themselves always do harm.

Aside from rape (in which category I include pedophilia), I can't think of a sex act that would meet that test.

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Which is why this Larry Craig politician person caused such a ruckus getting busted in a public restroom soliciting for homosexual sex.
No, he caused such a ruckus because he is such a blatant hypocrite. If he had been pro-gay-rights, the ruckus would have been much less.

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Lets see, if he's "gay" he had no choice in the matter right ?
He had no choice about being attracted to other men. That's true.

Any more than you do.
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