Of course some conservatives are child molesters.

Thats a horrible analogy.

Here is a better question.

Do liberal philosophy and traditional Christian values contradict on another?

This is like arguing that a black panther can be a neo-nazi.

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I think that Steve just won this weeks award for making the most "spot on" observation!

No, it's doing exactly what you're doing. Of course some liberals don't like christianity.No, you're apparently not interested in arguing anything, since you so adamantly refuse to actually back up what you say.

We're done here.

How do you know this? It's a big assumption on your part. Like I said earlier, I'm gay and couldn't give a crap about Christianity (although I was raised in a Catholic household, and attended Catholic schools my entire life) - except when Christian leaders preach that I'm somehow doing them wrong.

You're right about one thing though; Christianity is a road block to acceptance. You have closed mindset individuals running a Church that seem to be more interested in protecting the rights of pedophile priests and covering up their deeds than focusing on a mission of universal love and tolerance. I think the contradictions of the Church are what pisses people like me off more than anything. By that I mean, the Church professes to talk about love and understanding but in reality they preach about intolerance, lack of acceptance and hate. Christian Churches have always maintained their "power" by an instrument of fear. "God will punish you"; "Bad things happen because God is upset", etc. Rarely so you see a message of unconditional love coming out of Rome, Canterbury or Westboro.

Are you telling me their are progressive liberal traditional Christians?

That's impossible you can be either or.

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Who do gays blame for their 'legal oppression' then?

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Wrong.

I am far more conservative than liberal, and I have no love for the force feeding of so-called "Christian values" on anyone, and would certainly have "dissent" in the face of that...

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

I'm not refuting that at all.

But that's not the argument I'm making.

My point is that Christians are on a far more active path to try to eradicate homosexuality than homosexuals are on a path to eradicate Christianity.

Again, a quick perusal of some of the threads started by some of the Christians here; one in particular, bears that out.

You can check those posts or not; it really doesn't matter to me. It doesn't change, however, what is ridiculously obvious...

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If it wasn't for double standards, liberals would have no standards at all...

The people who write the laws.

Nacy Pelosi makes Hillary Clinton look conservative, so you calling your self conservative might not be as true as you believe it to be.

On the main issues are you liberal or conservative?

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And our laws are inspired by judaeo-christian law. Why you think the liberals go apes shit anytime they see the Ten Commandments?

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Trust me, Steve is very conservative in most aspects; he just happens to think (hope you don't mind me putting words into your mouth Steve) that the Church and State shouldn't interfere in what happens in the bedroom of consenting adults.

However, it does seem that your definition of 'conservative' is "anyone who agrees with you". If they don't, then you seem to think that they're not conservative. So, what's your definition of conservative? Is your conservatism based on intolerance and hate, or is there some more depth to your conservative underpinnings?

Come on now, Christians are on a more active path trying to eradicate homosexuality?

The truth is they both hate one another equally. I'm not going to say ones better then the other.

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Then as a self-professed conservative who believes in The Ten Commandments, why don't you go ape-shit when you don't see laws being written that are as anti-adultery as they are anti-gay? Would you support laws that banned adulterers from getting married again? Would you support laws that banned adulterers from equal provisions in govt funded entitlements? Would you support laws that banned adulterers from adopting? I'd be most interested in seeing whether your conservatism and support for Christianity extends further than just a dislike of homosexuality.

Actually I disagree. I don't hate Christians, and in all honesty I'd ignore them ... if they didn't seem to spend most of their time trying to sell the idea that homosexuality is somehow responsible for everything that's wrong in the world. I am fairly confident in suggesting that if Christians and conservatives didn't make homosexuality a constant social and political issue, then we wouldn't spend our time defending ourselves.

We can always start with a small example of this. If the conservative-Christian anti-gay members of the Forum didn't create a single anti-gay thread, I wonder how many gay-liberal members of the Forum would start an anti-Christian thread? Actually I don't have to wonder, as I can answer that based on the evidence of history. As was mentioned to your previously, do a search of threads created over the last few years and so a comparison. You'll see that the thread creation on the topic is dramatically one-sided. In fact, I can recall only one thread that was created on the other. There - I have just disproved your point without even having to leave the Forum. Imagine that logic being applied on a national level!