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Old 07-24-2009
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Trust me, Steve is very conservative in most aspects; he just happens to think (hope you don't mind me putting words into your mouth Steve) that the Church and State shouldn't interfere in what happens in the bedroom of consenting adults.

However, it does seem that your definition of 'conservative' is "anyone who agrees with you". If they don't, then you seem to think that they're not conservative. So, what's your definition of conservative? Is your conservatism based on intolerance and hate, or is there some more depth to your conservative underpinnings?
I'm an economic and traditional social conservative/libertarian.

pro-life
pro gun rights
I believe marriage is between a man and a woman (not for religious reasons, i believe in the old slippery slope)
I believe in smaller federal government
I believe in more power to the state and local government

There's a lot more but I think you can see where I'm going.

I don't accept any progressive liberal idea, I'm actually a formal liberal.
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Here, Swoop. Since you're obviously not willing to educate yourself, I'll do it for you.

I've gone ahead and put together just a smattering of the types of threads started on USPOL. Take note of the person who started each thread. Aside form this thread that we're in:

Beware the girly men . .

what gay marriage has done to Massachusetts

California High Court Rules Against Gay Marriage, Except Those Already Done

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abor...sexuality.html

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abor...-gay-gene.html

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abor...mosexuals.html

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abor...hristians.html

If I wanted, I could also go off on how this poster also expresses nothing but unwavering disdain for those who are anything but Christian. I'd have been posting links until the sun comes up, though, so I opted out of that.

It would be interesting to see if you could pull up the same number of posts, started by homosexuals, who are out to destroy Christianity. I don't think you can do it, but I would gladly acknowledge the error of my ways if you did.

What I see, and what I think anyone who views it rationally would see, is that Christians are far more interested in getting rid of homosexuals than homosexuals are in getting rid of Christians...
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Actually I disagree. I don't hate Christians, and in all honesty I'd ignore them ... if they didn't seem to spend most of their time trying to sell the idea that homosexuality is somehow responsible for everything that's wrong in the world. I am fairly confident in suggesting that if Christians and conservatives didn't make homosexuality a constant social and political issue, then we wouldn't spend our time defending ourselves.

We can always start with a small example of this. If the conservative-Christian anti-gay members of the Forum didn't create a single anti-gay thread, I wonder how many gay-liberal members of the Forum would start an anti-Christian thread? Actually I don't have to wonder, as I can answer that based on the evidence of history. As was mentioned to your previously, do a search of threads created over the last few years and so a comparison. You'll see that the thread creation on the topic is dramatically one-sided. In fact, I can recall only one thread that was created on the other. There - I have just disproved your point without even having to leave the Forum. Imagine that logic being applied on a national level!
I subscribe to several forums so citing this forum alone proves nothing to me. I can tell you their are plenty of people who just love to post some story about a child molesting hypocritical priest and then use that as a platform to spew their Christian hate.
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Trust me, Steve is very conservative in most aspects; he just happens to think (hope you don't mind me putting words into your mouth Steve) that the Church and State shouldn't interfere in what happens in the bedroom of consenting adults.
Had you not absolutely nailed my position, I might have a problem with it...

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Here, Swoop. Since you're obviously not willing to educate yourself, I'll do it for you.

I've gone ahead and put together just a smattering of the types of threads started on USPOL. Take note of the person who started each thread. Aside form this thread that we're in:

Beware the girly men . .

what gay marriage has done to Massachusetts

California High Court Rules Against Gay Marriage, Except Those Already Done

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abor...sexuality.html

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abor...-gay-gene.html

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abor...mosexuals.html

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/abor...hristians.html

If I wanted, I could also go off on how this poster also expresses nothing but unwavering disdain for those who are anything but Christian. I'd have been posting links until the sun comes up, though, so I opted out of that.

It would be interesting to see if you could pull up the same number of posts, started by homosexuals, who are out to destroy Christianity. I don't think you can do it, but I would gladly acknowledge the error of my ways if you did.

What I see, and what I think anyone who views it rationally would see, is that Christians are far more interested in getting rid of homosexuals than homosexuals are in getting rid of Christians...
Can you tell the difference between constructive criticism and true hate or dissent?

I think most people are just tired of having homosexuality shoved down their throats. Everywhere you look homosexuality is being promoted.

Most non-liberals are tired of having every progressive issue shoved down their throat.

You can't get mad at people for having an opinion and that goes for every side of the political spectrum.
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I'm an economic and traditional social conservative/libertarian.

pro-life
pro gun rights
I believe marriage is between a man and a woman (not for religious reasons, i believe in the old slippery slope)
I believe in smaller federal government
I believe in more power to the state and local government

There's a lot more but I think you can see where I'm going.

I don't accept any progressive liberal idea, I'm actually a formal liberal.
You asked earlier where I stand on "major issues":

I am pro-choice, only in that I do not believe the government should be able to dictate what a woman can and cannot do. Furthermore, I'm sickened by the hypocrisy of so-called "pro-lifers" who make exceptions for abortion. On a personal level, I find abortion an abhorent practice.

I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment.

I'm in favor of gay marriage. No rational argument has ever been presented to me to prove that it "threatens" anything.

I am a strong advocate for our military.

I am very anti-illegal immigration. I would support a policy of armed troops at the border with orders to shoot to kill.

I believe in smaller government.

I believe in more power being given to State and local governments.

I believe we cannot tax ourselves back into prosperity.

I believe that government administered health care is, at best, unworkable and, at worst, far too socialist.

I believe people should be able to keep most of what they earn.

With the exception of two issues, I'd be willing to bet that you and I hold very, very similar views. The silly contention that gays are trying to destroy Christianity, however, just doesn't happen to be one of them...
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Can you tell the difference between constructive criticism and true hate or dissent?
The shear number of posts regarding homosexuality, linked above, indicates to me that there is far more hate than there is mere criticism...

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I think most people are just tired of having homosexuality shoved down their throats. Everywhere you look homosexuality is being promoted.
Care to point out where?

Seriously, please tell me where. I've been sitting here trying to think where I've seen homosexuality promoted in the last week, and I come up with nothing...

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Most non-liberals are tired of having every progressive issue shoved down their throat.
Do you honestly think that liberals aren't also tired of having every conservative issues shoved down theirs?

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You can't get mad at people for having an opinion and that goes for every side of the political spectrum.
I don't get mad at people for having an opinion.

But people like the prolific poster whose posts I linked to takes it far over the top. He doesn't have "an opinion", he has "a mission"; to eradicate homosexuals and homosexuality...
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You asked earlier where I stand on "major issues":

I am pro-choice, only in that I do not believe the government should be able to dictate what a woman can and cannot do. Furthermore, I'm sickened by the hypocrisy of so-called "pro-lifers" who make exceptions for abortion. On a personal level, I find abortion an abhorent practice.

I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment.

I'm in favor of gay marriage. No rational argument has ever been presented to me to prove that it "threatens" anything.

I am a strong advocate for our military.

I am very anti-illegal immigration. I would support a policy of armed troops at the border with orders to shoot to kill.

I believe in smaller government.

I believe in more power being given to State and local governments.

I believe we cannot tax ourselves back into prosperity.

I believe that government administered health care is, at best, unworkable and, at worst, far too socialist.

I believe people should be able to keep most of what they earn.

With the exception of two issues, I'd be willing to bet that you and I hold very, very similar views. The silly contention that gays are trying to destroy Christianity, however, just doesn't happen to be one of them...
I we agree on a lot, just not on this issue. So I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
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The shear number of posts regarding homosexuality, linked above, indicates to me that there is far more hate than there is mere criticism...



Care to point out where?

Seriously, please tell me where. I've been sitting here trying to think where I've seen homosexuality promoted in the last week, and I come up with nothing...



Do you honestly think that liberals aren't also tired of having every conservative issues shoved down theirs?



I don't get mad at people for having an opinion.

But people like the prolific poster whose posts I linked to takes it far over the top. He doesn't have "an opinion", he has "a mission"; to eradicate homosexuals and homosexuality...
Well I'm from Chicago so I might be a little bit more exposed to fringe political ideas.

Look man, they had an elementary school lead they gay parade here in Chicago.

The other day I saw a billboard on the side of a buss with two woman kissing and two men kissing entitled "change" ..

Homosexuality is being shoved down peoples throats. I can also admit that some Christians can be overly aggressive expressing their ideas as well.
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Well I'm from Chicago so I might be a little bit more exposed to fringe political ideas.

Look man, they had an elementary school lead they gay parade here in Chicago.

The other day I saw a billboard on the side of a buss with two woman kissing and two men kissing entitled "change".
Promoting an idea is not necessarily an attack on another idea. It's just a different idea...

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Homosexuality is being shoved down peoples throats. I can also admit that some Christians can be overly aggressive expressing their ideas as well.
What I find interesting is that you say "homosexuality is being shoved down peoples throats", and then describe what Christians do in a far less damning manner by saying "Christians can be overly aggressive expressing their ideas as well".

Christians force Christianity down the throats of others at every opportunity. Just stand by my front door at 8:30 on a Saturday morning if you doubt that.

Read the links I posted. If you don't think that's "shoving" Christianity down someone's throat, then I don't know what to say...
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Most non-liberals are tired of having every progressive issue shoved down their throat.
And liberals could argue the same thing about having religion shoved down our throat at every opportunity.
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Do liberals NOT object to Christian morals and ethics?

Please answer this question.
if you're talking about the morals and ethics that promote honesty and love for your fellow man, then of course i don't object to christian morals or ethics.

if you're talking about the morals and ethics that say it's okay to stone a woman because she didn't scream loudly enough while she was getting raped, then yes i object.
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Google

Go slew through those 45 million hits on Christian dissent and then tell me those folks are conservatives or republicans.

I can tell you right now their are NO conservatives that have dissent for Christian values.
oh boy i think there are a lot of posters here that might disagree with this one.
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They do have the same rights, its not against the law to be gay is it?
thanks for completely ignoring the post. OLE!

now if youd like to answer what i brought up, the thing about equal rights in JOINING PROPERTY AND SPOUSAL RIGHTS. thanks.
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thanks for completely ignoring the post. OLE!

now if youd like to answer what i brought up, the thing about equal rights in JOINING PROPERTY AND SPOUSAL RIGHTS. thanks.
You ever hear of the slippery slope?

You want equality for gays not everyone.

Don't take the cookies out if you cant share with everyone.
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