And no law will EVER give them complete social acceptance or approval.

Its not like if ODUMMY snapped his fingers and legalized gay marriage people would just say "well since obama says its ok, I guess its ok with me now."

The gays need to get real.

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I don't exactly understand the difference between the terms "marriage" and "civil unions". Seems like silly semantics to me. Aren't they basically the same? Aren't you just removing the word "marriage" from the argument in order to appease those who cry about changing the definition of the word "marriage"?

OTOH, it may very well be the perfect way to get gay marriage legalized: incrementally. First get civil unions to be socially exceptable, then just let nature take it's course... after a while, no one will differentiate between civil unions and marriage.

If gays were "born that way" and nature took its course, gays would be extinct.

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2 Corinthians 4:4

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

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How about if the govt stops recognizing marriage for anyone, and everyone has to get a civil union to be legally recognized? Then any two humans can get a civil union?

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If the govt stops recognizing marriage, then why would civil unions be recognized?

I wouldn't be against this concept at all, but again, this just seems like semantics and playing with words.

Another afterthought: All of this word play wold be a pain in the ass. Can you imagine the conversations?

"Are you two married....er, I mean, civily unioned? civil unionized?..."
"Yes, we got.... unioned.... joined.... civilized.... fuck, yes, we're married."

"domestic partnership"

Is there any such think as an "imported partnership"? Do I really want to know?

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Fairness doesn't just happen. It requires the right government policies." -Hillary Clinton


The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

2 Corinthians 4:4

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:6

by that logic so would retards, down syndrome kids etc. but theres still plenty of those.


o wait! theres this thing called dominant and recessive traits! Remember? you learned it in fucking 8th grade!

remember the big letters and little letters? that you put in a foursquare box?

Guess not.. Here let me sum it up for you.

dominant traits always show up. You can carry both the dominant part of the trait AND the recessive, and you pass both of those on. If your partner ALSO has the recessive trait then its possible to pass it along to your offspring, and even LOSE the dominant trait. Go pick up an 8th grade science book ok? It'll explain everything with pretty pretty pictures.
So lets say being straight is a dominant trait and being gay is recessive. get two someones that both have the recessive part on the back burner and guess what you get? A big ole flaming queen. crazy.

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Fairness doesn't just happen. It requires the right government policies." -Hillary Clinton


The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

2 Corinthians 4:4

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:6

You speak of logic, but have none. Those described above can still procreate.
Nope. I just went to the 8th grade. You must have gone to one of those "progressive" schools.
Ooooh, showing off now. Must not have been long ago that you learned all this.

You really should read the chapter on natural selection.

Guess you also missed the smiley....further proof that liberals got no sense of humor.

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Fairness doesn't just happen. It requires the right government policies." -Hillary Clinton


The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

2 Corinthians 4:4

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 14:6

On a different political board, I asked some gay regulars if they would accept full civil unions with all legal rights if in doing so they would never be allowed to marry. The result was split.

Insisting that it must be marriage sounds more like trying to obtain societal acceptance by legislation (which doesn't work). One respondent to my question had a good point, which was "its not about legislating acceptance, its about not accepting a discriminatory status."

I think the pro-same sex marriage activists are poor strategists. If I were in those shoes, I would have pushed for civil unions before ever trying to go the marriage route. I think that strategy would have them way ahead of where they are now.

I would also stay away from the courts as much as possible. People don't like the courts foisting social change on them (even people that aren't against same sex marriage).

For the record, I'm generally against any "activist" group. I'd be against one for redheads with volatile tempers. Activists are usually obnoxious and annoying people.

What about "partners"?

"This is my partner Robert."

"Er, is that your business partner or romantic partner?"

Its getting tougher to describe relationships if you aren't married. The descriptive word that cracks me up the most (my sister in law uses it): "my lover."

When a woman says "this is my lover", I picture some shirtless Chippendale's hunk with a faux French accent dripping rose oil over some tressed up bodice clad woman. So far, I've been disappointed whenever I meet someone's "lover" in person.

Supposedly, thats why redheads will be extinct in a couple of hundred years.

Because marriage is a religious tradition, between a man and a woman. The govt recognized marriage to make it legally convinient to have certain assets transfer and such. A civil union is legally allowed between any two human anywhere in the country, and has no automatic rights assigned to it that are standard.

Yes its semantics. The issue is religious people want to keep the word marriage as their own, and so they cant have the govt recognizing forms of marriage which the religion doesnt agree with. So, remove govt from it, and problem solved. Religions can officially only endorse their form of marriage, gay people can call themselves married if they want, but neither religion or govt will recognize it, and govt will only recognize civil unions.

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-Thomas Jefferson

I sometimes refer to my gf as my "lady friend", but she's not crazy about it.