I'm just wondering, because I've recently heard a lot of people express opposition to gay marriage, but not to civil unions. Also, I found some interesting blog posts on the topic:

http://hillbuzz.org/2009/11/04/wedne...-november-4th/

Thursday Open Thread: November 5, 2009 HillBuzz

Frankly, I'm a little sick of straight people claiming that dropping the word marriage or compromising in any way would be terrible, mainly because they're not the ones who have to live with the consequences. That said, I have no idea if it would work.

What say you?

Is it easier to get civil unions than marriage? Probably.

Should a large portion of our society have to settle for less state recognition? Fuck no.

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Fine, but would civil unions necessarily be inferior? And it also relates to the consequences of holding out for the perfect recognition. I'd rather have less than I want than nothing at all. Civil unions in some states would make it easier to fight DOMA, which would be harder to justify if you have real life, demonstrably committed couples being affected by it.

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There are a number legal rights that are included with state recognition of marriage that can be available to any willing to be contractually bond.

But thats a far cry from a legally recognized core of a family.

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Civil unions and marriage should both be denied to gays. Both involve official state recognition of immoral activies as defined by the majority.

Civil unions are considered unacceptable in California

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That's like asking if a mother is inferior to a father.

Of course they're not necessarily inferior, just different.

That you believe the naming of a different kind of human relationship indicative of its value, is something you might reconsider.


Why does DOMA have to be "fought" ?

Is it worth it over the word ? I thought this was about rights ?

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I think they make a huge mistake by ceding "marriage" to opponents. The issue is currently framed as whether they can get married and that bigots won't let them. But really, everyone who wants to should just get married, loudly and publicly. Then the issue simply becomes whether their marriages enjoy the same legal advantages as other marriages. This is a much easier civil rights claim to argue.

I'm of the opinion that it should be civil unions all around. People want marriage to only be what their religious leader tells them it is, it can stay out of government. You get a civil union which is legally identical to what marriage currently is for the legal aspect, and you get married by your priest, rabbi, swami, etc. for the religious aspect.

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Quite, why should anyone have to be considered a "life-partner" instead of a spouse? Many sluts, people with open relationships, and others who don't want to take binding-marriage vows choose this as a title. Which feels degrading because you're placed with those who wear relationships, and don't live them.

Because of its consequences, like the fact that it means that same sex couples can't pass in their social security on to their partner. Or the fact that the surviving partner has to pay inheritence tax, often leaving them homeless. I'll take a civil union as long as it doesn't mean lesser rights.

I say the way marriage is now its CLEARLY a standard... Its no different then denying a blind man a drivers license because he cant meet the standards required to drive.

IF they want to legalize gay marriage they will have to write an entirely new Amendment for it.

Challenging on the basis of discrimination is fucking stupid and a waste of time.

Its almost as if the gays want gay marriage to be legalized out of sympathy.

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They're still demanding special rights.
I am a man and cannot marry another man.
I cannot marry a goat, close relative or a bicycle.
We all have the same rights.
Gays are not interested in just accpetance of their deviant behavior. They demand approval as well.

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