Thread: After birth abortion

Last month Keisha Jones tricked her husband's pregnant girlfriend into taking Cytotec, a drug that can cause miscarriage in the early stages of pregnancy. Anthony Jones, Jr. didn't die. At least not yet. He was born less than three pounds and struggles for his life.

In February of 2008 Jaime Solis Olmos staged a fake robbery and beating of his pregnant girlfriend, Justina Cornejo. Cornejo suffered internal injuries and facial cuts, but her 11-week-old baby survived. “The defendant wanted the victim to abort the child,” Deputy District Attorney Andrea Tischler told the Star. “When she did not, he decided to hire someone to beat her severely enough to lose the child.”

In November of 2007 Manishkumar M. Patel slipped his pregnant girlfriend some RU-486 in a drink. She became suspicious and had the powder he put in her drink tested. But while still waiting for the results her baby died.

Last March Tonuya Rainey was about to become a grandmother. Her daughter was looking forward to the child. But grandma had somthing else in mind. In the words of B.O., she was going to fix the "problem."
Rainey forced her daughter to drink some tea spiked with RU-486. But to her horror, her grandson was born alive. Grandma took her grandchild and tossed him in the garbage where he died.

Originally Posted by LJ2

Of course they do. It rarely gets much notice as pro-choicers prefer encouragment to force, but sometimes they resort to force.

Women in China have documented having to report their menstrual cycles to the government. If something indicated pregnancy the government, with it's one-child policy, would sometimes force abortions.

So what?

It's fucking China.

Take your crusade there...

It's not uncommon for a woman's support group (family, father of the child, etc.) to threaten abandonment if she doesn't get an abortion.

That's interesting, and actually the opposite is just as true. I know of a few women who were disowned by their families because they were pregnant. In every single instance, these women came from good, religious families...

And sometimes there are plain out coerced attempts to force a woman to have abortion. They probably aren't common, but we'll never really know because they're stories the pro-choice media prefers not to report.

In April of 2008 Caitlin Bruce went to one of six abortuaries operated by Alberto Hodari. She was prepped for the operation when she had a change of heart. She wanted a live baby, not a dead one. She pleaded with the staff. They forcibly restrained her and Hodari killed her child anyway.

I'm not holding my breath waiting for pro-choice groups to take up the cause for Catilin's choice.

You might, however, wait until the case is resolved. According to the Hodari, he was already well into the procedure...

In September of 2008 Katelyn Kampf was tied up by her parents and put into the family car. They left their Maine home destined for New York where the unborn child's grandparents believed it would be easier to kill their grandbaby. Katelyn escaped during a brief stop and called police.

Yeah, what a stand-up gal she is, huh?

Katelyn Kampf Charged With Prostitution

All that shows is that you'd rather appeal to emotion than to reason.

Dr. Stephen Pack repeatedly stabbed his pregnant girlfriend with a drug filled syringe and told her, "I'm giving you an abortion." Daddy's attempt to kill his child failed and Michael David Mitchell was born alive and well in November 2000.

Shawana Pace told her boyfriend that she wouldn't kill their unborn baby. Baby's daddy, Erik Bullock, didn't like that choice. He hired three men to beat her abdomen. They taunted her during the beating, "Your baby is going to die tonight." They were right.

Jason Hawkins didn't want another baby, but his wife Leah wouldn't kill the little one within her. So Jason beat Leah's abdomen with a piece of wood. Their son was born prematurely, but alive. Thanks to Daddy, he lived only a short while.

I'm not quite sure how you link these horrible stories to pro-choicers forcing someone to have an abortion.

Originally Posted by LJ2

Dr. Stephen Pack repeatedly stabbed his pregnant girlfriend with a drug filled syringe and told her, "I'm giving you an abortion." Daddy's attempt to kill his child failed and Michael David Mitchell was born alive and well in November 2000.

Shawana Pace told her boyfriend that she wouldn't kill their unborn baby. Baby's daddy, Erik Bullock, didn't like that choice. He hired three men to beat her abdomen. They taunted her during the beating, "Your baby is going to die tonight." They were right.

Jason Hawkins didn't want another baby, but his wife Leah wouldn't kill the little one within her. So Jason beat Leah's abdomen with a piece of wood. Their son was born prematurely, but alive. Thanks to Daddy, he lived only a short while.

Do you have a point?

No?

Alrighty then...

Originally Posted by dorian

I'm not quite sure how you link these horrible stories to pro-choicers forcing someone to have an abortion.

Another poster asked if pro-choicers force woment to have abortions. The answer is yes and I've proved it by giving some examples.

The killers in these attacks were clearly proponents of abortion. When the mothers refused to kill their babies, the abortion proponents decided to become abortionists themselves.

Originally Posted by LJ2

Another poster asked if pro-choicers force woment to have abortions. The answer is yes and I've proved it by giving some examples.

The killers in these attacks were clearly proponents of abortion. When the mothers refused to kill their babies, the abortion proponents decided to become abortionists themselves.

I'm pro-life, as well, but I don't see this as having to do much with pro-choice more than a far peripheral sense (some of these people might not kill someone but see killing the baby as not killing a human life).

These are knee-jerk reactions of people in situations that they don't want to be in. It is not a policy that is out there. Out of all these cases it seems like everyone of them involved someone breaking the law. Now if something similar was happening to women and it wasn't breaking the law, it would be pertinent as it would demonstrate policy.

Originally Posted by LJ2

Another poster asked if pro-choicers force woment to have abortions. The answer is yes and I've proved it by giving some examples.

No, what you've proven with your examples is that some people are bat-shit crazy.

You cannot, however, say that "pro-choicers", as a group, want to force women to get abortions. That would be stupid, because that wouldn't be "pro-choice" at all.

Your own posts have shown the folly of your alleged "point"...

Pro-choicers regularly want to pay women to abort their children.

Originally Posted by LJ2

Pro-choicers regularly want to pay women to abort their children.

Examples, please.

And there needs to be a significant number of examples in order for you to back up that point. A dozen aren't going to cut it. Hell, 100 examples won't cut it.

Personally, I find the practice of abortion abhorent. But my "pro choice" stance stems from my belief that the government should not have a say in it.

While I support a woman's right to seek an abortion, I've never even had the passing thought that I should pay a woman to get one, nor do I want federal funds used to pay for them...

Originally Posted by LJ2

Another poster asked if pro-choicers force woment to have abortions. The answer is yes and I've proved it by giving some examples.

The killers in these attacks were clearly proponents of abortion. When the mothers refused to kill their babies, the abortion proponents decided to become abortionists themselves.

No, actually you haven't proved anything.

These attacks don't have anything to do with being pro-choice. All you did was show

1) that apparently some men are not willing to take responsibility for their actions and decide to take things into their own hands

2) that some people are not willing to deal with the responsibility of raising/or supporting someone with a baby even if it's related to them and decide to take things into their own hands

Your examples have nothing to do with pro-choice. Those were horrible actions by obvious nutcases.

One of the first things B. Obama did when he became president was to end the Mexico City policy, which prevented federal aid to foreign organizations that abort little human beings. How ironic that our first half black president was so anxious to send money to primarily nations with dark skinned people to kill their unborn children.

The Hyde Amendment, which stops federal funds from paying for abortions, has long been a thorn in the side of pro-choicers.

Many states use their funds to pay for poor mothers to kill their unborn children.

While it is true that these are not payments directly to the mothers, neither is employer paid health insurance. And it certainly is an encouragement to doubting mothers to abort their children.

Basketball coach Rick Pitino impregnated a woman and paid her to abort his child.
Football coach Dennis Green impregnated a woman and paid her to abort his child.

Pro-choicers are always spending money to encourage women to abort their children.