Thread: After birth abortion

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Anti-choicers regularly open the skulls of puppies and eat the brains while the rest of the puppy's body twitches.


See? We can both make baseless claims! Isn't this fun?

Martin Haskell is the pioneer of intact dilation and extraction, aka partial-birth abortion. The procedure takes typically about 24 hours.

First lamanaria are inserted into Momma's cervix. They swell with Momma's body fluids and dilate the birth canal. The trick is to dilate the canal just the right side. Not so small that the baby's hips and shoulders cannot be extracted from the womb. And not so large that the whole baby comes out. It's a bad day at the office for an abortionist when you've got a live baby. Your job is to produce a dead one.

After about 24 hours Momma comes back to the abortuary. The killer will reach into Momma's womb and try to remove baby feet first. If he is successful, he will pull baby out so that only her head remains in Momma. Then he will stab baby at the base of her skull. He then takes a suctioning tool and sucks baby's brains out. Success!

When abortionist Leroy Carhart sued the Bush Administration for signing a ban on such practices he said that not all such abortions are so clean. He said that frequently the baby cannot be positioned within the womb so easily. In those cases he reaches in with a grasping device (think pliers with sharp teeth) and grabs whatever is convenient. It might be a leg, hip or shoulder, whatever he can get. He then twists off the body part and pulls it out with whatever other tissue might still be attached. He does this to a live human being.

But the lawyers wanted to know about when the procedure works as prescribed by Haskell. When does the baby die? Carhart said he really didn't know. He likened the puncturing of the skull to a gun shot to the head. Not all gunshot victims die immediately. But surely the baby dies when her brains are sucked out. He still wasn't sure because sometimes the baby's heart continues to beat after her brains have been sucked out.

I suppose it's not uncommon for pro-choicers to make moral equivalents of killing human beings to killing dogs.

Originally Posted by LJ2

I suppose it's not uncommon for pro-choicers to make moral equivalents of killing human beings to killing dogs.

And I suppose it's not uncommon for pro-lifers to avoid having to intelligently discuss the topic of abortion...

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Anti-choicers regularly open the skulls of puppies and eat the brains while the rest of the puppy's body twitches.


See? We can both make baseless claims! Isn't this fun?

Pedophiles also tend to be pro-lifers. I guess they're pro-life so they're assured a target-rich environment.

Wow, ridiculous, baseless claims CAN be fun!

Originally Posted by Steve

Pedophiles also tend to be pro-lifers. I guess they're pro-life so they're assured a target-rich environment.

Wow, ridiculous, baseless claims CAN be fun!

Pro-lifers actually get off on the videos that they take for their promotional movies. It's like porn for the rest of us, but more of a speculum fetish than anything.



Oh, and for those who aren't aware - heart muscle will continue to beat when removed from the body. So, the presence of cardiac activity is meaningless.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Pro-lifers actually get off on the videos that they take for their promotional movies. It's like porn for the rest of us, but more of a speculum fetish than anything.

I think these comments have gone far enough with being distasteful and off-topic. You had your little parade, and now it's old.

Oh, and for those who aren't aware - heart muscle will continue to beat when removed from the body. So, the presence of cardiac activity is meaningless.

Is that why the heart beat is basically the rule for checking to see if someone is alive?

Originally Posted by pramjockey

...the presence of cardiac activity is meaningless.

Particularily among those who believe in abortion.

NFL football player Ray Carruth got his girlfriend pregnant and she refused to kill their unborn child, so he had them murdered.

Edwin Sandoval got his girlfriend pregnant. He wanted a dead baby. She wanted a live one. She wouldn't abort so he shoved two pills of misoprostol into her vagina, very much against her will. The mother recovered and the baby was born healthy.

Stojan Adasevic was perhaps the most prolific killer in Yugoslavia having performed 40,000+ abortions during his long career.
His last abortion did not go well. The ultrasound monitor showed a baby sucking her thumb. He twisted off an arm and it began to twitch after he put it on the table. Then he took a leg and it too shuddered. He decided to mash the rest of the baby into goo rather than see any more moving body parts. But he didn't mash thoroughly and when he extracted the mess the baby's heart still beat. That's what pjockey calls "meaningless."

Originally Posted by fishjoel

I think these comments have gone far enough with being distasteful and off-topic. You had your little parade, and now it's old.

I see.

As long as it's someone spewing stupid bullshit about the pro-choice crowd, it's okay, huh?

Fuck that.

As long as unsubstantiated bullshit is being belched up regarding the pro-choice crowd, expect to see it with regards to the pro-life crowd.

Don't like it? Too bad. Work both sides with regards to "these comments", or may the light of hypocrisy birghtly shine upon thee...

Originally Posted by LJ2

Particularily among those who believe in abortion.

NFL football player Ray Carruth got his girlfriend pregnant and she refused to kill their unborn child, so he had them murdered.

Edwin Sandoval got his girlfriend pregnant. He wanted a dead baby. She wanted a live one. She wouldn't abort so he shoved two pills of misoprostol into her vagina, very much against her will. The mother recovered and the baby was born healthy.

Stojan Adasevic was perhaps the most prolific killer in Yugoslavia having performed 40,000+ abortions during his long career.
His last abortion did not go well. The ultrasound monitor showed a baby sucking her thumb. He twisted off an arm and it began to twitch after he put it on the table. Then he took a leg and it too shuddered. He decided to mash the rest of the baby into goo rather than see any more moving body parts. But he didn't mash thoroughly and when he extracted the mess the baby's heart still beat. That's what pjockey calls "meaningless."

More spewing of unsubstantiated bullshit.

Your bullshit has been shown to be just that: BULLSHIT.

Your arguments are laughable and, as a result, you've been a complete failure at making anything remotely resembling a point...

Originally Posted by Steve

More spewing of unsubstantiated bullshit.

Your bullshit has been shown to be just that: BULLSHIT.

Your arguments are laughable and, as a result, you've been a complete failure at making anything remotely resembling a point...

You're awfully thin skinned.

Originally Posted by LJ2

You're awfully thin skinned.

Not at all.

I just have little patience for someone like you who believes he's contributing anything by spewing bullshit, and then proves to be a complete and utter failure at back up his arguments...

Originally Posted by Steve

I see.

As long as it's someone spewing stupid bullshit about the pro-choice crowd, it's okay, huh?

Fuck that.

As long as unsubstantiated bullshit is being belched up regarding the pro-choice crowd, expect to see it with regards to the pro-life crowd.

Don't like it? Too bad. Work both sides with regards to "these comments", or may the light of hypocrisy birghtly shine upon thee...

I don't know what you're talking about. One person is at least posting stories, which I am assuming are true, regardless of their miss application. You and Pram just made disgusting shit up. Sorry, no hypocrisy here.

Originally Posted by fishjoel

I don't know what you're talking about. One person is at least posting stories, which I am assuming are true, regardless of their miss application. You and Pram just made disgusting shit up. Sorry, no hypocrisy here.

And therein lies your hypocrisy.

You accept, without question, that the "stories" told by LJ2 are true.

He insists that men "paid" women to get abortions. I pointed out that the men he mentioned paid for the abortions. LJ2's versions are untrue. Still, you take no issue with them, continue to assume they're true (despite evidence to the contrary), and then complain when someone else makes up bullshit, too.

I dunno', I just find your stance hypocritical...

Billy Bob Smith's daughter Lucinda got pregnant before she was married. Billy Bob beat the living fuck out of Lucinda and then threw her out of the house. Lucinda had nowhere to go, and ended up in a homeless shelter. A few weeks later she had a miscarriage.



Fish, do you believe that story? Why not?