Thread: After birth abortion

Originally Posted by LJ2

There are thousands of Crisis Pregnancy Centers in the USA. They provide moral support, financial help, housing, infant supplies, just about anything an expectant or new mother needs. They are run almost entirely by conservatives. Democrats have not only routinely refused to help, but have repeatedly tried to shut them down.

One of Elliot Spitzer's proud liberal actions when Attorney General of NY was using the power of the government to see that these needy women had less options. Fortunately, he was unsuccessful in closing the centers.

Conservatives support organizations that help women deliver live babies. Liberals support organizations that help women deliver dead ones.

And then once those babies are born, the conservatives leave them to the liberals to support, and call the liberals all sorts of names for doing it.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Actually, you didn't.

The small mention of abortion is not "promoting abortions." Your hypersensitivity to the word doesn't make it so.

Did it ever occur to you that my arguments are in plain, easily understood language, while you rely on absurdities?

Originally Posted by LJ2

Did it ever occur to you that my arguments are in plain, easily understood language, while you rely on absurdities?

Did it ever occur to you that your arguments are nothing but absurdities?

Free choice means that women might make a decisions that the right to lifers are against. Its realy a pity that were living in a democracy. Imagine that women have a right to decide over their own bodies. Lets become Muslims!

There is to idealogy in this issue. Jefferson grew up in the age of reason "the enlightment" Why cant Reps finance offices that try to help women not have aboration (without horror videos). Help them with housing, education and finding a partime job? This cost money, but put your mouth where your money is.

This will not mean all women will say yes, but who knows? Why should women bear birth when their raped, from family members or strangers. Can you make an expection here?

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Actually, you didn't.

The small mention of abortion is not "promoting abortions." Your hypersensitivity to the word doesn't make it so.

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PJ thinks these don't exist.


This clinic sued the state of Florida to stop the state's Parental Notification law. They won, but apparently lost when either the law was either upheld by a higher court or was rewritten.

The website contains a parental notification page. Much of it is devoted to telling children how to circumvent their parental notification. In fact, the only sentence in caps says, "THIS LAW DOES NOT REQUIRE PARENTAL CONSENT." Nothing like baiting children to kill their own and refuse their parents counsel.

Originally Posted by bennyhill

Free choice means that women might make a decisions that the right to lifers are against. Its realy a pity that were living in a democracy. Imagine that women have a right to decide over their own bodies. Lets become Muslims!

There is to idealogy in this issue. Jefferson grew up in the age of reason "the enlightment" Why cant Reps finance offices that try to help women not have aboration (without horror videos). Help them with housing, education and finding a partime job? This cost money, but put your mouth where your money is.

This will not mean all women will say yes, but who knows? Why should women bear birth when their raped, from family members or strangers. Can you make an expection here?

There is nothing about Death Roe that was democratic. It undermined the laws of the states that were determined in a democratic fashion and the right it discovered is not in the US Constitution except as a figment of the sick imagination.

Pregnancy Counseling Centers do just the things you demand for women and their children. Liberals have not only refused to help, but have aggressively tried to shut their services down.

If abortion laws were subject to the democracy you pretend to desire, it's very likely that restictions on abortion would almost always have exceptions for victims of rape and incest. But they would always require that the rapist be reported to the police, something that abortionists have not always wanted to do.

I have no personal animosity to the children of criminals.

Originally Posted by LJ2

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PJ thinks these don't exist.

Please point out where he said that.

You'll be lookin' for a while, because he didn't...

What are the "alternative discussions" mentioned there?

Could it be... GASP!... ADOPTION???

Yep. Steve pretty much summed it up.

Originally Posted by Steve

Please point out where he said that.

You'll be lookin' for a while, because he didn't...



What are the "alternative discussions" mentioned there?

Could it be... GASP!... ADOPTION???

As best I can tell there are about 125,000 adoptions annually in the USA and lately around 1,250,000 abortions. For every adopted living and wanted child 10 are poisoned, shredded, dismembered and disembowled before or during birth. But even that statistic is misleading as each year thousands of those adopted children are from foreign lands. All the abortions are domestic.

If one thinks abortion clinics promote adoption as aggressively as they do abortion, then nothing further can be added to illustrate the absurdity of the argument.

If an abortion minded mother is asked to wait 1 day before she kills her little one, liberals call it a "burden."
Women wait for months, even years, to adopt a child, but liberals are unmoved.

Originally Posted by LJ2

There is nothing about Death Roe that was democratic. It undermined the laws of the states that were determined in a democratic fashion and the right it discovered is not in the US Constitution except as a figment of the sick imagination.

Pregnancy Counseling Centers do just the things you demand for women and their children. Liberals have not only refused to help, but have aggressively tried to shut their services down.

If abortion laws were subject to the democracy you pretend to desire, it's very likely that restictions on abortion would almost always have exceptions for victims of rape and incest. But they would always require that the rapist be reported to the police, something that abortionists have not always wanted to do.

I have no personal animosity to the children of criminals.

Upon what precedent do your draw your opinion of the current abortion law?

Originally Posted by LJ2

As best I can tell there are about 125,000 adoptions annually in the USA and lately around 1,250,000 abortions. For every adopted living and wanted child 10 are poisoned, shredded, dismembered and disembowled before or during birth. But even that statistic is misleading as each year thousands of those adopted children are from foreign lands. All the abortions are domestic.

If one thinks abortion clinics promote adoption as aggressively as they do abortion, then nothing further can be added to illustrate the absurdity of the argument.

If an abortion minded mother is asked to wait 1 day before she kills her little one, liberals call it a "burden."
Women wait for months, even years, to adopt a child, but liberals are unmoved.

Well, first, your argument is rooted in dishonesty, because you accused Pram of something for which there is no evidence.

Secondly, I didn't ask about which is promoted more; adoption or abortion. Left to you, clinics which ALSO COUNSEL ON ADOPTION would be shut down. Without being aware of that option, some young lady may go to Dr. Hanger in the alley for an abortion.

What if the women opting for adoption after visiting one of those centers didn't have one of those centers to go to for counseling? How many of them would go to see the good "doctor" in a back alley somewhere?

In order for you to have even a hint of credibility, you have to acknowledge that the counseling services these centers include adoption counseling. You have to admit that such counceling is offered, and you have to acknowledge that such counseling is good. But, no, you'd rather try to convince everyone that the only thing they do is abortions.

And, of course, that's fucking silly...

Originally Posted by Steve

Well, first, your argument is rooted in dishonesty, because you accused Pram of something for which there is no evidence.

Secondly, I didn't ask about which is promoted more; adoption or abortion. Left to you, clinics which ALSO COUNSEL ON ADOPTION would be shut down. Without being aware of that option, some young lady may go to Dr. Hanger in the alley for an abortion.

What if the women opting for adoption after visiting one of those centers didn't have one of those centers to go to for counseling? How many of them would go to see the good "doctor" in a back alley somewhere?

In order for you to have even a hint of credibility, you have to acknowledge that the counseling services these centers include adoption counseling. You have to admit that such counceling is offered, and you have to acknowledge that such counseling is good. But, no, you'd rather try to convince everyone that the only thing they do is abortions.

And, of course, that's fucking silly...

I claimed correctly that abortion clinics advertised to try and get women to abort. PJ challenged me to find one ad. I posted one then another. Your unwillingness or inability to follow the conversation does not make me dishonest.

In their annual report for fiscal 07-08, Planned Parenthood of America reported that they aborted 305,310 little ones. They did 4,912 adoption referrals.
The American Spectator : The Profitable Nonprofit

PP is not an adoption agency. They cannot do any adoptions and as far as I know, neither can any other abortion agency. What they can do is refer women, something I could easily do.

There is no evidence that any of the adoption referrals PP made resulted in a live child. PP counts dead children resulting from their services, not live ones.

I made no such claim that all abortion agencies do is abortions. In fact, I posted ads that plainly showed they had other services. Think about that before you say that it's me who is in need of credibility.

Originally Posted by jet57

Upon what precedent do your draw your opinion of the current abortion law?

The US Constitution.