Thread: After birth abortion

Originally Posted by Steve

No, because I'm not saying women should have abortions. I'm saying that government should stay the fuck out of the decision...

That's a liberal point of view. The government tells women they can't sell their bodies, they can't put drugs into them, etc. You might as well defend bank robbers because you don't want the government involved. That's liberal bull shit.

Originally Posted by Michael_Q

That's a liberal point of view. The government tells women they can't sell their bodies, they can't put drugs into them, etc. You might as well defend bank robbers because you don't want the government involved. That's liberal bull shit.

What a silly comment.

You've rendered yourself insignificant, and worthy of only pity...

Originally Posted by Fidei Defensor

I wouldn't assume that it did.

No, but you're actually pretty rational, think about your responses, and don't make the most horrible assumptions about others. Unfortunately, your example isn't followed by everyone.

Originally Posted by Michael_Q

Yea, that's your excuse for abandoning your responsibility to protect the weak. Without you and those that think like you, millions of babies would be alive. A woman isn't allowed to sell her body, why is she allowed to kill the baby residing within? First thing YOU and the rest have to learn is that, contrary to liberal bullsh_t, a woman doesn't get to do what she wants with her body any more than anyone else.

And by what right do you tell me what my responsibilities are. I've actually saved lives. I've alleviated suffering. I've treated disease. I've provided comfort to the grieving. What the fuck have YOU done?

Oh, and what is your solution for all those "millions" of unwanted babies? Where do you place them? Who do you force to feed them, support them, raise them?

Originally Posted by Michael_Q

Any chance of getting a refund on that "education"? You've got all the chapters memorized, now if only you could mix in an equal portion of real intelligence, some common sense. Imagine being able to actually being able to process all that crap.

Yes, clearly you're one whose position on intelligence and learning I'm caring deeply about.

You know, it's really convenient that you completely dodged this thread:

Education? Brainwashing? Critical thinking?

Originally Posted by pramjockey

no, but you're actually pretty rational, think about your responses, and don't make the most horrible assumptions about others. Unfortunately, your example isn't followed by everyone.



And by what right do you tell me what my responsibilities are. I've actually saved lives. I've alleviated suffering. I've treated disease. I've provided comfort to the grieving. What the fuck have you done?

Oh, and what is your solution for all those "millions" of unwanted babies? Where do you place them? Who do you force to feed them, support them, raise them?



Yes, clearly you're one whose position on intelligence and learning i'm caring deeply about.

You know, it's really convenient that you completely dodged this thread:

Education? Brainwashing? Critical thinking?

oops!

Originally Posted by Steve

Seriously?

You would expect an Atheist to consider what Jesus would do? You would expect an Atheist to care what Jesus would or would not subscribe to?

Is that really what you're saying?

Honestly, I don't think you're cut out for this whole "debate" thing. The so-called "points" you attempt to make are laughable, at best, but most often fall into the "pathetic" category...

Yes, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING. Someone with an education would know that Jesus was a great humanitarian regardless of what else you believe He was. You treat the concept of Christ the way you treat this abortion issue. So, you don't like Christ. Substitute Gandhi, Mother Theresa, etc. And, FYI, when you tell me I'm not up to the "debate thing", I know I'm on the right track. The idea that someone could support killing babies and with a straight face defend that position is uncanny.

Originally Posted by Steve

What a silly comment.

You've rendered yourself insignificant, and worthy of only pity...

That's your "boilerplate" answer for when you have no idea how to answer without losing face. I've seen it before.

Originally Posted by Michael_Q

Yes, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING. Someone with an education would know that Jesus was a great humanitarian regardless of what else you believe He was.

There have been many great humanitarians. Why shouldn't we consider them instead of Jesus?

You treat the concept of Christ the way you treat this abortion issue.

Not at all. Christ was a man. And that's all he was...

So, you don't like Christ.

Why would you say I don't like Jesus?

I have nothing against him...

Substitute Gandhi, Mother Theresa, etc.

Why do you insist that I consider only religious or spiritual people?

Why can't I consider the woman who lives across the street from me? The bagger at the grocery store?

Religion shouldn't play a part in this debate. Sadly, for you, you're unable to take part in the debate without it...

And, FYI, when you tell me I'm not up to the "debate thing", I know I'm on the right track. The idea that someone could support killing babies and with a straight face defend that position is uncanny.

Says the guy who's already admitted to supporting abortion...

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Pram, I'm come to the conclusion that Michael_Q and LJ2 are fuck buddies and are just here to stir up shit because neither has a valid argument.

Originally Posted by Michael_Q

That's your "boilerplate" answer for when you have no idea how to answer without losing face. I've seen it before.

I'm sure you see such a face every morning when you shave.

I know, not much of a response, but you've illustrated that you're just not worth the effort of trying to come up with anything more compelling...

Originally Posted by pramjockey

No, but you're actually pretty rational, think about your responses, and don't make the most horrible assumptions about others. Unfortunately, your example isn't followed by everyone.



And by what right do you tell me what my responsibilities are. I've actually saved lives. I've alleviated suffering. I've treated disease. I've provided comfort to the grieving. What the fuck have YOU done?

I'm fighting the barbaric bastards who condone the wholesale slaughter of the innocent. You don't get to accumulate some good points over here and then get a pass over there when you condone the slaughter of millions of babies. You'd be surprised what I've done, oh by the way.

Oh, and what is your solution for all those "millions" of unwanted babies? Where do you place them? Who do you force to feed them, support them, raise them?

Part of the deal here is you have to read the original post. Otherwise you're just blowing quasi-intellectual smoke, aren't you? Half of the compromise I proposed is a complete revamp of the adoption laws to make it easy for all the surviving babies to have homes. HORRIBLE THOUGHT, eh? Good f'ing grief.

Yes, clearly you're one whose position on intelligence and learning I'm caring deeply about.You know, it's really convenient that you completely dodged this thread:
Education? Brainwashing? Critical thinking?

I'll have a look. Didn't see it.

Originally Posted by Michael_Q

I'm fighting the barbaric bastards who condone the wholesale slaughter of the innocent.

Who would those people be?

Part of the deal here is you have to read the original post. Otherwise you're just blowing quasi-intellectual smoke, aren't you? Half of the compromise I proposed is a complete revamp of the adoption laws to make it easy for all the surviving babies to have homes. HORRIBLE THOUGHT, eh? Good f'ing grief.

And how many of them would be adopted by those who stand against abortion?

Scant few, in all probability...

Originally Posted by Michael_Q

I'm fighting the barbaric bastards who condone the wholesale slaughter of the innocent. You don't get to accumulate some good points over here and then get a pass over there when you condone the slaughter of millions of babies. You'd be surprised what I've done, oh by the way.

And, once again, I (like many who are pro-choice) would prefer that abortion be extraordinarily rare. If it were up to me, there would be no abortion. I don't WANT abortion to happen. I see it as a necessary evil.

Part of the deal here is you have to read the original post. Otherwise you're just blowing quasi-intellectual smoke, aren't you? Half of the compromise I proposed is a complete revamp of the adoption laws to make it easy for all the surviving babies to have homes. HORRIBLE THOUGHT, eh? Good f'ing grief.

Touche. I didn't see that you'd put that in there. I think that revamping the adoption laws may merit a thread of its own, especially given my unfamiliarity with them.

However, I would submit that the more likely problem would be a surplus of babies to adopt, not difficulty with the law that prevents those adoptions.

I'll have a look. Didn't see it.

Fair enough. We're all allowed to miss things, aren't we?

Originally Posted by pramjockey

And, once again, I (like many who are pro-choice) would prefer that abortion be extraordinarily rare. If it were up to me, there would be no abortion. I don't WANT abortion to happen. I see it as a necessary evil.

No, you've rationalized it, accepted it and you're not interested in improving the situation.

Touche. I didn't see that you'd put that in there. I think that revamping the adoption laws may merit a thread of its own, especially given my unfamiliarity with them.

Thanks for that tidbit. That's more than most are willing to part with around here.

However, I would submit that the more likely problem would be a surplus of babies to adopt, not difficulty with the law that prevents those adoptions.

Nonsense. There are thousands of people who want to adopt and there are thousands and thousands of children waiting to be adopted. The government makes it next to impossible, it takes years usually. That's a big part of solving this problem. The extra babies will find good homes if the g.d. government would get its useless ass out of the way.

Fair enough. We're all allowed to miss things, aren't we?

Yes, kudos to you for being straight up about that.